Talk:Gretsch

Mention Jack White!
Jack White uses Gretsch acoustic guitars with the white stripes, the raconteurs, as well as the dead weather, he also often uses his custom Gretsch triple jet with the copper top, mainly within the raconteurs. His Gretsch guitars are shown in various music videos and live performances with all of his musical groups. (2602:306:BC58:5410:3975:F40F:D8BA:DA23 (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2015 (UTC))

No mention of Malcolm Young?
Remarkable that the main article about Gretsch, especially since the guitars are so prominent, is silent about AC/DC's rhythm (and sometimes lead) guitarist, who favors the Jet Firebird but has also played the White Falcon and Roundup. For shame.

I agree, Malcom was Known for his Gretsch G6131.

71.173.7.165 (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

REPLY: I have added a sub-section under 'Guitars' called 'Notable Players' and also created a sub-heading called 'Models', and have included Malcolm Young and his signature Jet in here. Blammy1 (talk) 17:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Clapton and Les Paul

 * I made an edit because Clapton never endorsed the Les Paul. Outrageous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.167.15.254 (talk) 20:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they are expensive, even more so than that of a gibson. Got $5000 to spare? Good, because you'd probably get a cheap Gretsch.


 * Not really. The "Nashville" and "Tennesee Rose" guitars (which are superb quality instruments with wonderful craftmanship) can be bought for under $2000. The "Country Classic" can be bought for about $2000. That's less than what Gibson's hollow bodys cost, and Gibsons are far inferior.


 * If you pay $5k for a Gretsch you're a fool. They cost far less than that, and far less than comparable Gibsons.

Article Addition
I just read the article and noticed that there is some ambiguity over who bought back Gretsch. Just so you know it was Fred gretsch III who then struck a marketing deal with Fender. Hope this can clear some things up.


 * That in itself is ambiguous, leading to the assumption that Fred III is the son of Fred Jr., which is not true. -- Tim Baxter

Punk rock guitarists using Gretsch
Prior to the Living End, Billy Zoom of X had used a Gretsch Roc-Jet. Johnny Thunders occasionally used them as well. While it is debatable whether The White Stripes are a punk band, Jack White has used a Gretsch White Falcon on the most recent tour in addition to his usual National guitar. Punk-rockabilly band The Legendary Shack Shakers also employ Gretsch guitars.

Billy Zoom still uses that silver Gretsch by the way. And seeing as how X has been around since 1978 I think its worth a mention on the page.

72.188.119.182 07:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Enrique Rangel of Café Tacvba can be seen playing a Gretsch White Falcon bass in several of their music videos.

best years
We can't call them the "best" years without qualifying it somehow. I've put them in quotes for now but if someone can more accurately determine why they are the best years, they should definitely tell us so we can replace that word. -Nietzscheanlie 01:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Gretsch fans typically refer to roughly 55-67 as the "best" years or the "golden years", as those were, frankly, Gretsch's best years. Sales were very high (rivalling and, at least in the 50s, often exceeding Fender), visibility was very high, with the guitars in the hands of many prominent artists, and the guitars themselves, particularly the 55-61 models, were just incredible (Arguably the '62 on double-cuts didn't sound as good as the single cuts). '67 is usually considered the turning point because of the sale to Baldwin AND shifting musical tastes. By '67-'68 it was getting harder to find a Gretsch in the hands of popular musicians, Stephen Stills notwithstanding. By any measure, the 70s were unkind to Gretsch, and they were basically out of business in the 80s.

With an influx of R&D money and marketing savvy from Fender, many people call today the "second Golden Age", but it's still pretty much universally acknowledged that the company's heyday was approximately '55-67. Tim Baxter - The Gretsch Pages.

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Pickups
needs a section on those crazy gretsch pickups - filtertron, hilotron, dearmond, dynasonic etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 18:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

http://gretschpages.com/guitars/pickups/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.81.105.213 (talk) 02:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

SECONDED: I agree, but I don't have the knowledge to do so 17:36, 14 November 2020 (UTC)Blammy1 (talk)

Add new guitarist
Just as an addition to the text (maybe at the "Resurgence" period) I'd point to Poison Ivy, guitar player of The Cramps, as the first rockabilly revival band guitar player to ever use a Gretsch. You can find it anywhere on the Net. She's been playing Gretsch and Danelectro guitars for decades now. JAWS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.38.57.177 (talk) 10:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Introduction
This article is in desperate need of a better introduction. It tells you nothing about the company as it stands except for some vague accusations that every single product bearing the Gretsch name is manufactured abroad. That information, if it can be substantiated, belongs deep in the body of the article and does not serve as an appropriate overview for the company. Furthermore, I know that's all a load of bull anyway, because the Gretsch USA Custom series drums are, in fact, handmade in Georgia. Supraphonic (talk) 03:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, it really doesn't have an introduction at all. Hopefully someone with the necessary knowledge who can write and doesn't have an axe (heh) to grind can give this article a proper intro, rather than an argument.  MrBook (talk) 15:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Solid body?
Isn't it erroneous to list the Jet series as solid bodies? They're semi-hollow/chambered/semi-solid or arguably even hollow but definitely not solid.

it seems especially important given it's a commonly held perception that they are solid due to the lack of f holes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdul tom (talk • contribs) 14:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

REPLY: I'm no expert, but I know they have a one-piece body with cavities for the electronics and separate top, but I'm not sure if this means they qualify as either semi-solid or solid-body. Maybe the best description is a two-piece semi-solid? However, the G5425 Jet Club is listed as a solid body on the Gretsch website. Blammy1 (talk) 17:44, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Gretsch company - German or American?
The introduction says that Gretsch is a German company, which is not supported by the sources. Company website (and this article) say that the company was founded in Brooklyn, NY, USA; and that its Headquarters are in Ridgeland, SC, USA. Per WP:BOLD, I am amending this sentence from German to American - Ryk72 (talk) 10:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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here is why I am going to remove Current Models, pin by pin
The usual problem with this type of arm-waving fanboy nonsense is that said fanboys soon get bored and wander off, leaving a pile of factoids that quickly becomes outdated, and without having had the good graces to even put a date in the heading so that hapless readers might know that it's "current" as of WHEN exactly.

Withthat in mind, I will make a cursory comparison between the srticle's list and the Gretsch website. If I find significant discrepancy, I will remove as much as I see fit. Alternatively, others may perform maintenance on the list, and make clear the date of the most recent revision. Weeb Dingle (talk) 03:21, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Looking over that section, I'd support removing it entirely. Perhaps replacing it with a one or two sentence paragraph covering the styles of guitars currently made. With a preceding "As of date", of course. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 03:41, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I went to the Gretsch.com site, semi-randomly pulled up their Jet series guitars, ordered them by price (low to high), then searched the article for the first 12 models. None appears in the "current models" listing. Exactly one (the 6128 Thunder Jet) is mentioned at all in the article, but not the list.

But I'd feel badly about blanking it — that's a LOT of work for nothing. For the moment at least, I've hidden it. Others can do with it as they will; maybe it'll be the basis for a more substantive historical list. Weeb Dingle (talk) 04:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

needs trivia reduction
Another fanboy symptom: lots and lots of irrelevant "gosh wow" factoids. Usually, attempts — if any — to make them substantial aren't done well.

First to go: Mike Nesmith's guitar. The comment itself is actually almost relevant, but pasting the attribution into the text only make the tale unreadable. As I cannot verify the claim, I'll post it here:


 * According to the audio commentary by Michael Nesmith for the episode "I've Got a Little Song Here" on The Monkees: Season One DVD set,

Speaking of trivia, I will be hacking at the undergrowth about how wonderful FMIC is. Self-serving promotional hype has no place on WP. Weeb Dingle (talk) 04:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Here's a stumper: in section 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, there's a convoluted tale of the Country Gentleman owned by George Harrison. Seems that somehow Olivia Harrison gathered up the splnters of the "destroyed" guitar. Now we don't even know what happened to which instrument!! The more I try to wrap my head around this mess, the more it looks like Beatles trivia. Considering the purpose of THIS article, and that of the section the trivia appears in, I am cutting most of it until someone has the good graces to tell the story properly. Weeb Dingle (talk) 18:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * his first was destroyed when it fell out of the trunk of a car
 * was given to Ringo Starr by Harrison's wife
 * Alf Bicknell … strapped the Country Gentleman (George Harrison's second) to the back of the car. The guitar did not fall out of the trunk/boot.

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Conflict of interest
I have tagged the article for conflict of interest editing because used the following edit summary recently: "The page is currently undergoing a major update by a Gretsch Company representative. More changes to come." This raises valid concerns about conflict of interest and I invite comments from SATGC. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Also perhaps a record-holder for number of "Citation needed". David notMD (talk) 01:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * This source  might help with some of the citations needed? Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you think they'll notice this discussion? I meant user SATGC.  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  13:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * , I am a bit clueless now as to how format the references. It's been a while and I can't remember. What I just did looks like an utter mess.  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  14:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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RE: No Mention of George Van Eps?!
Also, this is not true: In 1990, Setzer became the first player since Chet Atkins to be honored with a signature-model Gretsch, the "Brian Setzer 6120", first of a line of Setzer signature models.

George Van Eps had a signature model in the late 60's — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.116.174.83 (talk) 15:11, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Gretsch Guitars
Although users have previously deleted 'current models', I thought the current list of Gretsch guitars seriously lacking and have expanded upon this list, adding current products from their website. I've also placed the list under a sub-heading called 'Models' and added a further sub-heading of 'Notable Players' which was noticeably absent and to which many users have complained on this talk page are not discussed in the article.

I do have one further suggestion / point for discussion: what if the current list of models was categorised into the "families" of Country Gentlemen, Falcon, Jet, Penguin, etc, and have separate lists of the specific models under each? I think this would make the article more readable and easier to maintain. Blammy1 (talk) 17:53, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * ”Notable Players”. Yes they are notable, but that is only my opinion. They need citations, otherwise they will get removed. I support your proposal of grouping the guitar models in families. Also: Scotty Moore and Eddie Cochran. Design (talk) 21:49, 14 November 2020 (UTC)