Talk:Grey import vehicle

Japanese exports
Shouldn't there be a separate article for Japanese Used Car Exporting industry? It seems this article stretches its scope. Perhaps link to it a sub article on Japanese Car Exports? Lostintraslation (talk) 11:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

EU law
The article states "In the European Union, competition law attempts to prevent grey imports from other EU countries". Does it? I thought competition law did exactly the opposite, and the text following seems to support this. Notinasnaid 11:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Canada-EU Free Trade Law
Since the EU and Canada have a free trade deal now, why cannot EU-spec cars still be imported to Canada? Is there a good reason for this? Otherwise I think it goes against the WTO laws?

US 1980's Laws
Can someone cite the specific laws which the aritcle claims Mercedes-Benz of America lobbied for in the 1980's?

It must be in:

Automotive News articles on the grey market in 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988

AutoWeek for above years

Files of Shutler and Gherardi law firm in DC

Also CFR (Code of Federal Regulations)  dealing with 'grey market' vehicles. They also had public comment sections, and also US EPA interpretations.

Also see Anderson Shipping vs. EPA   US District Court of Appeals Atlanta and  Washington DC circuits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.153.148.252 (talk) 01:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

The specific statements "The corporation (referring to Mercedes Benz of North America aka MBNA) launched a successful million-dollar congressional lobbying effort to stop private importation of vehicles not officially intended for the U.S. market". and "the Motor Vehicle Safety Compliance Act was passed in 1988, effectively ending private import of grey-market vehicles to the United States". are anecdotal and not supported. While it is true that MBNA lobbied for exclusivity, the "Grey Market" for high production volume European models in the USA was largely defeated by a combination of several capital market factors...

1. The fall in value of the US Dollar in relation to the German Deutschmark in 1986. 2. The example set by Porsche, raising the unit price in Europe and not in USA for the 1986 model year. 3. The introduction of more stringent emissions regulations in several large European markets for the 1985 to 1987 model years. Precipitating a more homogeneous product design, greatly reducing demand for modification business.

As for the "the Motor Vehicle Safety Compliance Act was passed in 1988, effectively ending private import of grey-market vehicles to the United States". This refers to 40 CFR Chapter 301 subpart III [ http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/standards/chapt301.html ]. While the act of 1988 served to clarify and add some additional restrictions to the body of law extant. Provisions remain to allow the import of vehicles in the several categories, "Noncompliant", "Demonstrated to Comply", and "Demonstrated to be Equivalent to Certified". --RenOC (talk) 10:12, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Tether Anchorage versus Tether Anchor
A tether anchorage is a threaded slot, built into the car's frame at the time of manufacture. It cannot be added at a later date since it normally needs to be stress tested. A tether anchor is the threaded cylinder and hook which screw into the tether anchorage and to which a child's car seat can be attached.

When cars are imported into Canada from the US, they usually need to have a tether anchor installed, not a tether anchorage. In fact, most cars sold in the US actually have a tether anchorage, although it may not be visible. Rather than construct two separate car frames, one for the US market, and one for the Canadian market, most car manufacturers use a common frame, with a built in tether anchorage for both markets.

When a new car is sold in Canada, the tether anchor is usually already installed in the tether anchorage and can be seen on the shelf above the rear seat. The same car, when sold in the US, usually does not have the tether anchor installed, but the anchorage is still present in the car frame, under the shelf above the rear seat. It may not be visible however, either covered by a plastic cap, or simply covered by the shelf. The manufacturers can provide the tether anchor, and installation involves either removing the cap or punching a hole through the shelf, and screwing the tether anchor into the tether anchorage.

On a US car, the tether anchorage can sometimes be located by looking at the underside of the shelf, above the rear seat, by way of the car's trunk. Steggall 14:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Article name
This article needed a slight adjustment to its name, from Grey import vehicles to Grey import vehicle. Per WP:SINGULAR, articles are to be named in the singular unless the subject noun is always plural (e.g. "scissors" or "pants"). I've gone ahead and done the move, with appropriate fixes for double-redirects. —Scheinwerfermann T&middot;C 14:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

This article might need a further slight adjustment to its name, from "Grey import vehicle" to "Gray import vehicle", at least for the section relating to the US. Most articles by the NHTSA, the Department of Transportation, the EPA, and the U.S. Customs Service, use the term, "gray market" spelled with an 'a'. Thank you. (I am a new account user and this is my first contribution. I don't have a "tilde" key on my keyboard, so I will sign my name - Kelsey.  My apologies to any archaeolinguistics out there.  This concludes my post.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelseyfg (talk • contribs) 16:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Legality
"As of 2007 the number of cars being Imported into the Republic of Ireland from both Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom is at an all-time high due to crippling motor taxation in the Republic"

True, but they are often not legal imports, as one would have to pay VRT plus motor tax if one was to import from outside the State. Hence why the Border counties (especially Donegal with its proximity to Derry) are full of cars whose tax discs indicate the owner is paying tax to the British Queen.

92.251.255.18 (talk) 23:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Parallel import
Re :- "The synonymous term parallel import is sometimes substituted."

A parallel import is a vehicle brought into it's new resident country which meets the standards of a vehicle brought in through the official distrubutor channels - usually treated as like-for-like. A grey import is not made for the market it has been moved into and does not meet the same standards - they are usually less desirable due to lack of readily available parts. These terms are not synonymous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.43.192 (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Picture
Anyone know what 'Cartoon published in the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) journal Solidarity on June 30, 1917' has to do with Grey Import Vehicle? PLawrence99cx (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Misleading Nissan GTR Note
The note about the 2007 Nissan GTR playing a key role in Fast & Furious 6 is misleading, as not only is that particular car not in a "key role," but many different GTR and Skyline models have made appearances in most if not all of the F&F movies. I'm not sure what the protocol is here though as the note is (roughly) factually accurate since that car was in that movie, but is misleading. Suggestions?

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By country
Is there a reason for the apparently random order of countries? Would it not be better to order them alphabetically?Bill (talk) 06:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Some order might be needed. I introduced a group by EU countries because the EU is a single market which make a difference between a local import (inside the EU) and an EU import (from outside the EU).
 * Also, the UK is no longer an EU member chiz so the sentence about importing RHD cars from other EU countries needs some attention from An Expert. Mr Larrington (talk) 08:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

European Union removed by a robot
A recent change related to the European Union was reverted by a robot which detected its "inadequately referenced, poorly written additions".

In fact, the group of changes does contain two main parts:
 * grouping into a single section several EU countries, each one member of a single market offering free movement of goods
 * describing the role of that European Union, offering free movement of goods

That change can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grey_import_vehicle&diff=988184193&oldid=988128833

When I do not question the reliability of the robot, I was just wondering if the EU deserve to have its own section in this page. After all, the EU is not the first world maker for new passenger car registrations, because the first market is China with 23,185,905 new cars registered in 2018 (29.4% of the world market) while the EU has only 15,158,874 new cars registered in 2018 (19.2% of the world market) Moreover, if the Brexit is also taken into account, the EU could even have less cars than the US which has 13,901,586 new cars registered in 2018 (17.6% of the world market). https://www.acea.be/uploads/statistic_documents/Economic_and_Market_Report_full-year_2018.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.216.31 (talk) 20:07, 12 November 2020 (UTC)


 * An other part which could be included in the EU part is the one explained hereafter: Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Norway — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.216.31 (talk) 20:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Imported vehicles stolen elsewhere
What about relatively impoverished countries that supposedly have large numbers of imported stolen vehicles in their fleets? I have heard this said about both the Caribbean and the former Yugoslavia, but have no reliable info. (But, see for example, https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1997-04-20-9704190955-story.html ; https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article244021217.html ; https://www.nj.com/news/2014/10/illicit_cargo_why_are_more_stolen_cars_disappearing_overseas.html .)Acwilson9 (talk) 04:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)