Talk:Greyhound Lines/Archives/2012

One psychological problem of riding the Greyhound
This was not my experience. Rode all night through. They don't need to empty the toilets that often.Mikereichold 05:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree with the comment above. Actually, much of the "Greyhound in the 21st Century" section, particularly the part about checked bags and smoking, strikes me as opinions about Greyhound's service, not so much information. Having taken more than my fair share of Greyhound rides (many unwillingly), I know it's no picnic, but it's still important to maintain a neutral tone. :-) Also, I would remove the bridge collapse in the "accidents" section--Greyhound was not at fault, and it's only tangientally related (at best) to the topic. Professor Harold Hill 05:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Relation to Railroad Passenger Services
Note that Greyhound provided an opportunity for the railroads to abandon marginal passenger operations sooner than they might have been able to otherwise. Someone needs to include that element in the main article along with more discussion of the changing demographic and land use trends that drove traffic primarily from the 1930's to the 1980's.

"Types of Demographics"
The sentence, "In addition, the types of demographics of riders have gradually shifted downward" should be rephrased or removed. It's true that there are fewer and fewer affluent Greyhound users, but this issue should be handled with more sensitivity. "Types of demographics" is a euphemism that I frankly have never heard. Perhaps a source can be brought in to show how competition from other forms of transportation (like private cars and planes) has created a tiered transit system.

I think you should suggest a better way of describing it. Geo8rge 17:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I am laughing very loudly.:) Geo8rge has it right. There's really no other way to describe this "trend". Nobody would ride Greyhound long distance unless they could NOT afford another means of transportation. Bizarre seat-mates, cramped seats, surly drivers and an INCREDIBLY smelly chemical toilet for hundreds if not thousands of miles is nobody's idea of high class. Or even medium class. LOL get real, man! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.4.176 (talk) 08:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Cite a source for the Greyhound naming contest trivia
Without a source for the Greyhound "naming contest" tidbit in the trivia section, that part sounds very much like an urban legend, or something heard from a "friend of a friend". Please cite a source, or remove. -Rhrad 05:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Major Routes
Add info on major routes, most importantly International ones. Info on major terminals/transfer points? Tcmetro 14:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Security?
I see the post 911 security talk, but wonder why a bus line would need airline style security, which is probably extreme in comparison to what is accomplished. Too much space is devoted to it Geo8rge 17:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You've obviously never traveled Greyhound. Not only are an apparent majority of the stations located in high-crime parts of their respective cities, but incidents aboard buses are fairly common.  It's also arguably notable because of the large proportion of low-income passengers and immigrants who travel Greyhound, and until recently you only needed to show any identification if you were picking up a ticket at the counter.  There have also been widespread reports of drug trafficking via Greyhound, but I don't have any first-hand experience other than regularly being offered a wide variety of substances while en-route (which, while not allowed on buses or stations, are probably a requirement for some to make Greyhound a tolerable experience).  Many sweeping changes in security procedures have been made in the past few years, both in response to the Manchester driver attack and to boost Greyhound's flagging image.  Trust me, Greyhound probably deserves more security than most airlines.  Gnu (talk) 18:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Challenge to paragraph on treatment of minorities
Minority and low-income passengers, despite being the bulk of Greyhound's business, are often treated poorly by drivers, who do not hesitate to call on local police when these passengers complain

Someone inserted this paragraph into the section "Greyhound Lines in the 21st century." Not only is this unverified, but it sounds more like anger someone is taking out against Greyhound via Wikipedia, perhaps from a personal experience. If so, this would violate Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Hellno2 19:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The replacement paragraph was non-neutral, and before the attacks on drivers, abuse of passengers was the norm: facts appear above in the article itself which demonstrate that Greyhound thinks its passengers are dogshit. The original paragraph was NPOV: the replacement paragraph you added was POV. Prior to the 2001 attack, Greyhound drivers were systematically abusing passengers. It was standard practice to eject people from Greyhound buses for loud talk.

Hey, I've ridden Greyhound and there are some creepy passengers who think nothing of yelling at the driver or anyone else within earshot. Especially if they've been drinking. I've also been on a bus where the driver pulled the bus over when we all complained it was too cold, and he had the colossal nerve to read us the riot act. So be fair because you know if you've ridden Greyhound, it goes both ways. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.4.176 (talk) 09:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I have restored the paragraph. Cease your vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.82.33.202 (talk) 05:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Anything included regarding the abuse of passengers by drivers should stay. And anyone who disagrees has obviously never taken Greyhound. The only part I disagree with is that Minority passengers are often treated poorly. This isn't completely true. I am white and I was treated like absolute crap (along with several african-american riders) on my last (and final) Greyhound trip last month.

And anyone removing that because of "point of view" should probably remove anything involving people tortured or treated unfairly as well because that can be considered "point of view" regardless of how bad it was. Greyhound treats passengers like shit and you would be HARD PRESSED to find anyone who could deny that. 09:16, 11 October 2007


 * Wikipedia is NOT a forum to discuss how a company treated its customers. It is a VIOLATION of Wikipedia's policies to write about this in an article UNLESS a citation can be provided to a reliable source (i.e. a news article) describing at a NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW about the situation. For example, if you found a news article about Greyhound's mistreatment of customers, you could cite and summarize the facts in this article. However, you must NEVER write about your own personal experiences. Hellno2 14:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have noticed that despite Wikipedia Policy's opposition to this, the section that attacks Greyhound keeps reappearing. This is a violation of WP:COI. It is coming to the point that perhaps, the 3RR rule should be applied. Maybe, semi-protection of this article could be useful in this case. Hellno2 16:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree with Hellno2: clearly statements like these need reliable citations. Guanxi 19:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Greyhound dog.gif
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Harrisburg template?
The template Harrisburg Travel has been added at the bottom of this article. The problem is that Greyhound is an international company serving 48 US states, Canada, and Mexico. Placing the Harrisburg template here would justify putting countless more similar ones in this article, thereby cluttering the page.

Who thinks it should be removed from here?Sebwite (talk) 01:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it doesn't belong in this article. It should be remove, ASAP! --BWCNY (talk) 07:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Seat belt comment needed
I had occasion this week to make a trip involving four Greyhound coaches and one Americanos. None of the five had seat belts. Why not? The article needs a section on safety which would address this and other safety issues.Jm546 (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Coach buses do not require seat beats at all of the passengers except for the driver. Coach buses are safe because they design capable to stand impact on crashes and speed. --BWCNY (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * School buses are the same way - if there were safety issues, that would be the first place they'd install them. --NE2 00:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This article contains heavy bias
As a random net surfer who just happened to come across this article on Greyhound Coach lines I have to say I was perplexed and surprised at the lack of neutrality presented in this article. Furthermore it lacks the qualities I would expect of an encyclopedic entry.

I recommend that this article be flagged for lack of neutrality and corrected to conform with wikipedia standards. That also includes citing sources which has not been done at all in a majority of the paragraphs relating to "mistreatment of passengers".

Paradoxbox2 (talk) 00:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC) Paradoxbox2 Sept. 14 2008


 * Can you point out where, exactly? --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 05:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Gripe sheet?
Is the "discussion" above a sincere intellectual attempt to review, improve, or expand the basic article?

Or is this a gripe sheet about regrettable personal experiences?

Is that a proper function of Wikipedia?

DocRushing (talk) 14:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC) Doc Rushing

Name of founder
According to sv:Eric Wickman the name of the foudner is Eric Wickman not Carl. There is also a photo of a memorial statue supporting this claim. Wanpe (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * His full name was Carl Eric Wickman.


 * However, he expressed a preference to be known as Eric.


 * DocRushing (talk) 16:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC) Doc Rushing

New source that can be looked at
In just surfing the Internet and thanks to the Yahoo! Greyhoundthroughexpress group, I found this preview from Google Books that has a lot of good stuff about Greyhound, and could be of use to this article. (From it, I have immediately added information about the worst Greyhound crash to date, near Waco, Texas). --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 04:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Post War section
I tried my hand at lessening the percieved POV in the Post-War section, added some citations and adjusted the picture formatting. Please let me know if they are unacceptable. After about 2 weeks, I'll remove the dispute tag if nothing else is mentioned. Thanks. Snagglepuss (talk) 19:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work.


 * I've felt concern about the lack of neutrality -- indeed, the obvious bias -- in some of the comments.


 * Keep it up.


 * DocRushing (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

not only United States – but it is
The first sentence implies that the Greyhound only serves the US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.208.60 (talk) 09:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Greyhound Lines, Inc., GLI, does not operate in Canada.
 * The Greyhound firm in Canada is a completely different corporation.
 * Likewise, the current GLI is not the same company as the one which Eric Wickman started in Minnesota in 1914.
 * In 1926 Wickman and others formed the Motor Transit Corporation,
 * which in -29 they renamed as The Greyhound Corporation (with an uppercase T, because "the" was an integral part of the corporate entity).
 * In 1987 The Greyhound Corporation, based in Phoenix, Arizona, sold its highway-coach operating business (its core bus business)
 * to a new company, named as the Greyhound Lines, Inc., called also GLI, based in Dallas, Texas –
 * a separate, independent, unrelated firm, which then was the property of a group of private investors.
 * After the sale to the GLI, The Greyhound Corporation (the original parent Greyhound firm) became renamed as the Greyhound-Dial Corporation, then the Dial Corporation, then the Viad Corporation.
 * [The contrived name Viad appears to be a curious respelling of the former name Dial – if one scrambles the letters D, I, and A, then turns the V upside down and regards it as the Greek letter lambda – Λ – that is, the Greek equivalent of the Roman or Latin letter L.]
 * No, the GLI is not the same as Greyhound in Canada.
 * [The subject of the article is Greyhound Lines, Inc., the current firm in the USA, not Greyhound elsewhere and not the previous Greyhound firm in the past.]
 * Doc. DocRushing (talk) 14:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Customer Service Issues
Because the content was not verifiable, I felt it necessary to blank the "Customer Service Issues" section of the document. This section should definitely be in this article, but its content must be verified with reliable sources. I posted a request on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject buses in relation to this. Hopefully, someone with the appropriate knowledge/time can expand this section. Thanks, Justin W Smith talk/stalk 21:23, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Strike Fatality
"In late 1984, Greyhound had a major driver's strike, typified as bitter, with one fatality in Zanesville, Ohio."

I believe there was a fatality in Redding, California during that labor dispute as well. 64.85.240.22 (talk) 01:32, 4 July 2011 (UTC)