Talk:Grid plan

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I've added some information about Austin, Texas as an example. I'm slowly developing this article, and expect to add a lot more history in the near future, thus the wording should remain fairly rough.-- Decumanus 06:28, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Another strong example is Salt Lake City-- the entire valley was mapped and grided (on paper) before the city started. Another point-- the Chinese layed out their cities on grids as well. Do you know about this? I can do some research...Davejenk1ns 06:54, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * The city of Suzhou in China was layed out as a complicated grid, back in 1229. [Engraved Map|http://www.sacu.org/pic28.html] August B. 09:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C. is a poor example of a grid plan as it has a "hub and spoke" pattern superimposed on the grid pattern, which results in odd, six-way roundabouts like Dupont Circle. The "avenues" are part of the spoke system, whereas the lettered (i.e., "Eye" Street, K Street, L Street) and numbered (Ninth Street, Sixteenth Street, etc.) form the grid. The pattern is also broken up by geographic features such as the Anacostia River and the valley comprising Rock Creek Park. Rlquall 14:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Pros and Cons
Can anybody add a section about the pros and cons of a grid street pattern? I feel that it is relevant in the urban and land use stand point, especially in contrast with street hierarchy plans and others. I would do it but I'm not quite as knowlegeable in the subject. perhapsd I'll start out with a draft.--Chicbicyclist 08:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Deadlock
Hm, there is an article at wikipedia about a deadlock situation sometimes happening during rush hours with grid plans. Can't tell the name of this article anymore, maybe someone knows which one I mean? --Abdull 03:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Found it, it's called Gridlock, but I can't say if this exclusively applies to grid plans. --Abdull 03:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Added to the Pros and Cons
A short paragraph about development of grid-plan-abiding cities. Not very detailed though, just a short "dépannage". --El Belga 15:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC) The pedestrian benefits need to be sourced and it should also note the hinderence the Grid system imposes on pedestrians with having to cross a road with traffic from 4 directions every block.(86.31.184.151 (talk) 02:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC))

SimCity?
I don't think it's good to add, but is mentioning SimCity relevant to this article? It does give some idea of advantages for the grid planning and also its disadvantages. --Revth 08:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * A link from Simcity would be good, but a link to Simcity? I don't see how that is relevant to this article. Simcity's grid plan has to do with the limitation of the game's engine more than anything else.--Chicbicyclist 09:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Comparison of American Grids Picture
Can anyone explain what that means and why it is there? I understood nothing by looking at that image. what is it comparing? How? What locations? It is not representative of the city as a whole either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.157.107 (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Asia from the first millennium AD
Although some Wikipedia authors and editors still do not see the point of taking a neutral attitude with regard to dates, such as by using CE (common era) and BCE (before the common era), and although Wikipedia official policy appears to be to take no stand on the matter, I hope most would agree with my observation that, at least in a section of this article about the use of the grid plan in Asia in the first millennium of the common era, it is in poor taste, probably insulting to some, and, therefore, unwise to use dates prefaced with "AD" (defined at http://www.merriam-webster.com/ as: "Medieval Latin, in the year of the Lord" [Jesus Christ]) in sentences such as: "The ancient capitals of Japan, such as Fujiwara-Kyô (AD 694-710), Nara (Heijô-Kyô, AD 710-784), and Kyoto (Heian-Kyô, AD 794-1868)...."

There are at least two alternatives to using "AD": use the initials CE (common era) or use naked dates. For example, instead of "AD 694-710," one could write "694-710 CE" or merely "694-710." The latter, in fact, is the style used in the rest of the article following this section. Wikifan2744 (talk) 19:24, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Pedestrian and bicycle movement
The sentence "Frequent stops negate the speed advantage and the physical benefit of bicycling and add to frustration." seems counterintuitive. The action of stopping the bicycle, standing with the bicycle, and starting the bicycle again, while "add[ing] to the frustration", would seem to have great physical benefits. More muscles and different muscles are used at different exertions, balance is challenged when transitioning to and from standing, and the bicyclist may even have a chance to be at rest for a few moments. Also the bicyclist avoids collisions with vehicles in intersections and pedestrians in crosswalks by yielding the right-of-way. Lent (talk) 13:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Possibly copied content
The pedestrian and bicycle movement section appears to be copied from the world encyclopaedia according to this page: http://www.worldlibrary.org/articles/grid_system I've not had chance to check the rest of the page but it strikes me that a lot may be copied. Silent1 17:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Incomplete information regarding addressing in a grid plan
This section of the article seems to be incomplete and has not been expanded since 8th July 2007. Perhaps it should be determined what information should be provided and how contributors can help; or if any information at all is potentially useful and if not, the section removed.

Winghouchan (talk) 21:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * As the grid plan is the norm in the US, I would argue that it's a bit pointless to list cities with a grid plan there. If anything, a list of exceptions would be more notable. There is still a good argument for listing cities with grid plans in other countries. Even them, I'm pretty sure there are other countries where the grid plan is dominant. Anywikiuser (talk) 10:38, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

The article needs very much to discuss which cities have taken advantage of their gridded pattern, to create a logical house addressing system laid upon it, and which cities have totally blown such opportunity, simply "leaving it up to the winds" how houses end up getting addressed. And which cities, despite a grid, don't even have addresses for houses. Jidanni (talk) 07:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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The Grid and Colonialism
I added this section because I think it's a really important implementation of the grid system -- I think it fits best where I placed it, but it could also make sense as part of the section "Europe and its colonies" -- its a question of whether the organization of the article as a whole is based on location, or on time. There's also room to rewrite my section part of a new section on grid systems in Africa, which is definitely lacking from this article Lbevs (talk) 14:55, 3 December 2018 (UTC)Lbevs

Grid patterns in former Sovjet states
I have seen grid patterns is Kazachstan (Shymkent, Almati), but I guess there are many more. Rbakels (talk) 21:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Indonesia
Bekasi and Depok is NOT built on grid. I lived there. 103.3.220.102 (talk) 14:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Undue weight on cost
Hi. I just happened by this page and noticed that the Intro spends too much of its time talking about how grid plans affect the cost of streets. This is a minor aspect of what a grid plan is and should be mentioned only briefly (if at all) in the Intro. Better would be for the Intro to reflect the content of the article, including a description of the article subject and perhaps a brief description of its history and its use around the world. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 14:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

list of cities
Seriously, a list of grid cities in the USA? How many thousands of entries do we want?

How about limiting it to those founded before Manhattan adopted the grid? —Tamfang (talk) 05:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Categories
I think the person adding this page to the categories for Mohenjo-daro and Harappa has misunderstood. I suggest they're both removed. There is potential for a new category of Cities built on a grid - in that case, the two examples could be added to that. 92.71.60.61 (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)