Talk:Gridcoin/Archive 1

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Please be careful when editing the article, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fkinglag (talk • contribs) 16:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

its anonym developer Rob Halförd
Who is Rob Halförd? Why does the article call him anonymous when you give his name in the same sentence? I'm a wikipedian and would like to improve this article. It's kind of turgid, and could be much better. JuanTamad (talk) 12:07, 13 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Rob Halford is the name of a musician. Halförd is a play on that name using the metal Umlaut.

Pseudonymous would be somewhat more accurate. 2003:F0:7F31:C922:39AF:9C3A:B553:CA0B (talk) 01:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

To Do List:
(9) Unironically, add (here) some information how GridCoin + World Community Grid Project work in case of some specific project. Leave a link to a pool.
 * Feel free to edit this to do list.
 * 1) Add more definitive history to Gridcoin.
 * 2) Add more related information to the currency template on the side.
 * 3) Add new section for Design of Gridcoin.
 * 4) Add "green" information on GridCoin.
 * 5) Add "GridCoin (NOT to be confused with GrinCoin)
 * 6) Add alternative logos existing
 * 7) Add recent updates on wallets which support GridCoin
 * 8) Merch available for GridCoins and designed to represent something?


 * Add more to this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fkinglag (talk • contribs) 00:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

A comment.
 * The "Design Of Gridcoin" part is basically something covered by Wisconsin Engi'...

P.S. As for "currency template", I think it's 2020 so we don't really need to spend our time on it.Uchyotka (talk) 10:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The part on history of gridcoin is something easy if you don't go overboard. GridCoin isn't about "affiliatiang" with BOINC yet its indeed for parttaking in its projects... as well as World Community Grid.

Possible quotes from WISC EngR to refer to
I really liked this review: https://read.wisconsinengineer.com/gridcoin-and-boinc-crowdsourcing-scientific-discovery-cf2728a187a1?gi=c37a9cc45476

I read it twice, I think I need to add some quotes which could help.

Top tier:

"A project by the University of California at Berkeley, led by David Anderson, was developed to alleviate some of the processing needs of their scientists by soliciting support from the global community." Nice summary on "scientific mining" claim.

"As more people become involved in the mining of Gridcoin, scientific progress will speed up as more of the researchers’ resources can be focused away from the need to process their data. Many data heavy projects will be encouraged to start when the need for computer resources becomes less of an issue. Perhaps most importantly, people around the world will have more of a part in the progress of research." - OK, this one also explains what scientific mining's idea is.

Okay tier:

"Tobias Becke, a German Energy and Environmental Engineer and Community Manager for Gridcoin, is excited about the prospect of a cryptocurrency being used to advance science. Like creator Rob Halford, Becke is bothered by the amount of wasted energy and resources used in the mining of Bitcoin. He still, however, is very much invested in the growth of cryptocurrencies as a means of decentralizing and digitizing the monetary system. He started by asking the question, “What could we do with our old computing hardware?” It seemed to him a waste to simply dispose of old computers when there are so many research teams that desperately need help processing their data." - we basically have a statement how GridCoin is related to "electricity grid" and saving energy. IMO, it's too bad GridCoin's logo is purple. If it were "leaf green", if would tell a lot.

Trash tier ("pressing the tear"):

"Becke believes that Gridcoin will rise to be one of the top used cryptocurrencies because of its social and moral advantages over Bitcoin. It is not just a prediction, but also a hope of his to see Gridcoin being more widely adopted." - could be useful regarding "ecology idea behind GridCoin" part, yet we are yet to see one.


 * Try "Wikipedia is not a crystall ball"... 81.89.66.133 (talk) 11:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Article revisions following AFD discussion
The article needs to be rewritten in light of the AFD discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gridcoin_(2nd_nomination)

In particular, care should be taken to use only reliable sources and avoid citing crypto blogs/news sites.

A separate issue with the previous article was the non-neutral tone. So the rewrite should also pay careful attention to neutrality.

I am happy to contribute to the rewrite, but since I am not independent of the subject (COI: I mine Gridcoin) it would be preferable for someone else to do it. I intend to keep checking back on the page to see how things go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxwellMolecule (talk • contribs) 15:27, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

The sources suggested at AfD are listed below. Can we start by evaluating which are useful as high-quality reliable sources, which are perhaps more dubious but could be used for uncontroversial details, and which are inherently unacceptable? I've taken a run at initially categorizing:


 * High quality: independent, prominent publications, research papers, in-depth analysis, etc.
 * https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot17/woot17-paper-grothe.pdf
 * https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/bitcoin-seen-addressing-power-hog-problem-with-prime-number-find
 * https://finance.yahoo.com/news/state-distributed-computing-cryptocurrency-101908849.html
 * https://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/high-tech/gridcoin-la-crypto-monnaie-qui-offre-de-la-puissance-de-calcul-aux-chercheurs_120311 (in French)
 * https://read.wisconsinengineer.com/gridcoin-and-boinc-crowdsourcing-scientific-discovery-cf2728a187a1


 * Passing mentions in reliable sources:
 * https://www.inc.com/magazine/201811/amy-webb/donate-processing-power-gigware-hack.html
 * https://singularityhub.com/2017/12/31/9-ways-you-can-use-your-devices-for-advanced-scientific-research/#sm.0001qk8f6nmq8fr4pdl2qfy6vci27


 * Crypto news sites:
 * https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/putting-the-blockchain-to-work-for-science-gridcoin-1400747268/
 * https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/crypto-exchange-poloniex-dumps-eight-underperforming-coins/
 * https://cointelegraph.com/news/gridcoin_using_the_blockchain_for_good


 * Other questionable:
 * https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Cryptocurrencies/dp/1449374042/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542824247&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Mastering+Bitcoin%3A+Unlocking+Digital+Cryptocurrencies+1st+Edition


 * Others to review (these came up in a separate point and I haven't had time to look into in any kind of detail):
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * -- Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * SingularityHub is not an RS - David Gerard (talk) 10:50, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yahoo Finance is just a republished article from CryptoCoinsNews and only has three sentences about basic information on Gridcoin. Morgan Ginsberg (talk) 08:44, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Is the codebase itself a reliable source? David deleted my changes to the interest section that were there before. The original information was incorrect, and I am putting what is actually in the code. This is a catch-22.James C. Owens (talk) 03:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)


 * You need a reliable, third-party source to confirm. As you can imagine with cryptocurrency articles on Wikipedia, everyone wants to seem the best. However, we're not here to audit the code. If there's no reliable source willing to put their brand recognition on the line to make a statement, it's either deemed too soon, or simply non-notable for the encyclopedia. Dr-Bracket (talk) 04:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

An incidental, ironic connection to GRID as in abbreviation
I think Gridcoin is a funny "coin", because it's somehow mixes together a "coin" to make FightAIDS@home a way to "mine" "coins" and AIDS' older name, GRID. So, even though the article is quite a stub, the name is sort of punny-funny. Uchyotka (talk) 10:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Logic behind such a claim
Thing is, GridCoin is supposed to support both BOINC and World Community Grid by IBM as means of mining.
 * World Community Grid's projects include FightAIDS@home.
 * And AIDS' old name is GRID.

While not intentionally related, GridCoin indeed has something to do with fighting a namesake disease.Uchyotka (talk) 10:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Citation for block reward
Would the results of the poll on the block reward count as a reliable citation? Poll in question: https://gridcoinstats.eu/poll/constant_block_reward_(cbr)_proposal_and_poll Nathanielcwm (talk) 11:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Removal from Coinomi
I feel like it would be warranted to note in the history section that Gridcoin was removed by Coinomi on September 28, 2020 due to a lack of activity.

I am not able to find any reliable sources that can confirm the removal; the only official notice from Coinomi appears to be an in-app notification however the image doesn't make it clear which asset is being removed and on top of that I believe it would also go under WP:SELFPUB.

Gridcoin being listed in Coinomi can be backed up by this archive.is page: https://archive.vn/tE2kN. If you go to the current version of the page today you will be able to note that Gridcoin is no longer listed.

Nathanielcwm (talk) 15:39, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we would need a third party reliable source to reference... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Ban from PrimeGrid
While forum posts normally don't count as RS since the linked msgs are from primegrid admins shouldn't this count as an official announcement from the primegrid team? Nathanielcwm (talk) 03:44, 21 November 2020 (UTC)


 * So did an RS mention this incident at all? It's cited to nothing at all beyond the forum posts ... - David Gerard (talk) 09:55, 21 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Wasn't able to find any so I guess that answers the question of whether this could be included in the article. Nathanielcwm (talk) 10:09, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Removed "Gridcoin fails to explicitly address the energy cost of computing power"
I've removed the sentence "Gridcoin fails to explicitly address the energy cost of computing power" (which was repeated two times in a row). It seems somewhat contradictory to the last sentence and I found the sources do not back that statement up (the only standard source,, seems to go against that statement.)

Disclosure: I own 20770.57949 gridcoins that were mined a few years ago (worth approximately 111.12 euros, pretty insignificant imo but I am interested in the project).

--Trougnouf (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Depending on WHEN that was written it might refer more to the old GridCoin protocol which wasn't Proof-of-Research/Proof-of-Stake.

With GRC in the meantime not being mined but distributed on a per project basis the additional energy consumption of the wallet is kept.to a minimum. Miners would have the wallet only on one machine anyways while BOINC can be run without it as long as the CPIDs are connected. Goldsteal (talk) 01:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended Edit Suggestions
Unfortunately my current account doesn't have enough edits yet to edit this page, but is there any way we can add the following short description to the page?

short description|Decentralized cryptocurrency

TouchMeTwice (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)