Talk:Grigori Rasputin/Archive 2

citation
can anyone provide a source for the part about the cremation of Rasputin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.83.173 (talk) 13:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

HOW ABOUT ADDING THIS:

The standard movie disclaimer ("Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead is purely coincidental.") originated with the 1932 MGM movie, Rasputin and the Empress, which insinuated that the character Princess Natasha had been raped by Rasputin. Natasha's character was supposedly intended to represent Princess Irina of Russia, and the real Princess Irina sued MGM for libel. After seeing the film twice, the jury agreed that the princess had been defamed. Since this suit, many movies have used the disclaimer to protect themselves from court action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GregKess (talk • contribs) 15:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

This also needs a citation as to where the statement "Guseva supposedly screamed, "I have killed the antichrist!"" came from.

The legends surrounding the death of Rasputin are perhaps even more mysterious and bizarre than his life. According to Greg King's 1996 book The Man Who Killed Rasputin, a previous attempt on Rasputin's life had failed: Rasputin was visiting his wife and children in Pokrovskoye, his hometown along the Tura River in Siberia. On June 29, 1914, after either just receiving a telegram or exiting church, he was attacked suddenly by Khionia Guseva, a former prostitute who had become a disciple of the monk Iliodor. Iliodor, who once was a friend of Rasputin but had grown absolutely disgusted with his behaviour and disrespectful talk about the royal family, had appealed to women who had been harmed by Rasputin to form a mutual support group. Guseva thrust a knife into Rasputin's abdomen, and his entrails hung out of what seemed like a mortal wound. Convinced of her success, Guseva supposedly screamed, "I have killed the antichrist!" Sdsures (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

This is an excerpt from Lost Splendor (1953). It gives Felix Yusupov's account of Rasputins death. I think it could be incorporated into the article someway to provide more perspective. Although Felix has changed the story several times, it is interesting to hear what he has to say.

I looked at my victim with dread, as he stood before me, quiet and trusting. What had become of his second-sight? What good did his gift of foretelling the future do him? Of what use was his faculty for reading the thoughts of others, if he was blind to the dreadful trap that was laid for him? It seemed as though fate had clouded his mind. But suddenly, in a lightening flash of memory, I seemed to recall every stage of Rasputin's infamous life. My qualms of conscience disappeared, making room for a firm determination to complete my task.

"Grigory Yefimovich," I said, "you'd better look at the crucifix and say a prayer." Rasputin cast a surprised, almost frightened glance at me. I read in it an expression which I had never known him to have: it was at once gentle and submissive. He came quite close to me and looked me full in the face.

I realized that the hour had come. "O Lord," I prayed, "give me the strength to finish it." Rasputin stood before me motionless, his head bent and his eyes on the crucifix. I slowly raised the crucifix. I slowly raised the revolver. Where should I aim, at the temple or at the heart? A shudder swept over me; my arm grew rigid, I aimed at his heart and pulled the trigger. Rasputin gave a wild scream and crumpled up on the bearskin. For a moment I was appalled to discover how easy it was to kill a man. A flick of a finger and what had been a living, breathing man only a second before, now lay on the floor like a broken doll.

On hearing the shot my friends rushed in. Rasputin lay on his back. His features twitched in nervous spasms; his hands were clenched, his eyes closed. A bloodstain was spreading on his silk blouse. A few minutes later all movement ceased. We bent over his body to examine it. The doctor declared that the bullet had struck him in the region of the heart. There was no possibility of doubt: Rasputin was dead. We turned off the light and went up to my room, after locking the basement door.

Our hearts were full of hope, for we were convinced that what had just taken place would save Russia and the dynasty from ruin and dishonour. As we talked I was suddenly filled with a vague misgiving; an irresistible impulse forced me to go down to the basement.

Rasputin lay exactly where we had left him. I felt his pulse: not a beat, he was dead. All of a sudden, I saw the left eye open. A few seconds later his right eyelid began to quiver, then opened. I then saw both eyes - the green eyes of a viper - staring at me with an expression of diabolical hatred. The blood ran cold in my veins. My muscles turned to stone.

Then a terrible thing happened: with a sudden violent effort Rasputin leapt to his feet, foaming at the mouth. A wild roar echoed through the vaulted rooms, and his hands convulsively thrashed the air. He rushed at me, trying to get at my throat, and sank his fingers into my shoulder like steel claws. His eyes were bursting from their sockets. By a superhuman effort I succeeded in freeing myself from his grasp.

"Quick, quick, come down!" I cried, "He's still alive." He was crawling on hands and knees, grasping and roaring like a wounded animal. He gave a desperate leap and managed to reach the secret door which led into the courtyard. Knowing that the door was locked, I waited on the landing above grasping my rubber club. To my horror I saw the door open and Rasputin disappear. Purishkevich sprang after him. Two shots echoed through the night. I heard a third shot, then a fourth. I saw Rasputin totter and fall beside a heap of snow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.159.36.177 (talk) 21:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Mystical Identification of Horsethieves?
According to the article, "one ostensible example of these powers was when he mysteriously identified the man who had stolen one of the horses."

Assuming that the Russian system of criminal justice employed any rudiments of due process of law, there would have been nothing "mystical" about the identification. Before anyone be punished (or least before anyone should be punished) for being a horse thief, there should be some visible and conclusive evidence that does not depend on the mystical mutterings of a monk.

"God told me that you did it" is not evidence.

It would be interesting to have documentation for this claim, and, if it is true, how it turned out.John Paul Parks (talk) 15:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't this incident taken from the movie with Alan Rickman and Greta Scacchi? Sdsures (talk) 15:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Possibility of Plagiarism?
My High school Global History text book (World History - Connections to Today: The Modern Era) seems to have some text that is very similar to some parts of this article. For example, go to the section about his death on this page, and read the first sentence. "The legends recounting the death of Rasputin are perhaps even more bizarre than his strange life." Seems very similar to this line from my book "The death of Gregory Rasputin was perhaps even more bizarre than his strange life" (401). The choice of words seems too alike to be chance. --PokeOnic (talk) 04:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Possible reference in popular culture?
In the game Psychonauts, the main protagonist is named Raz (Short for Razputin), which is obviously very similar to Rasputin. He says his family has a curse in which they will all die in water (similar to Rasputin and his siblings). Also, Raz is a psychic, which is very close to how Rasputin was a mystic. Does anyone else think that the character was in some ways based on Rasputin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.221.217.217 (talk) 22:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Pop Culture Reference
The microbrew Old Rasputin Imperial Stout bears his name and likeness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.46.77 (talk) 00:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yet another pop culture reference
In Team Fortress 2, the Heavy can get the Rasputin achievement, whose text reads: "In a single life, get shot, burned, bludgeoned, and receive explosive damage." --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 05:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yet ANOTHER pop culture reference
This one's pretty small; in the anime Soul Eater Rasputin shows up and has a fight with the protagonists. The show heavily implies that his intentions are and have always been evil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.76.1 (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

"Cohabitated"
Rasputin cohabitated with upper-class women in exchange for granting political favours.

"Cohabitated" is awkward and seems an unnecessary circumlocution. Can this term be replaced with "had sex with" or words to that effect?

Sca (talk) 16:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Murder
Harrison Salisbury, in Black Night, White Snow: Russia's Revolutions, 1905-1917 (Doubleday, 1977 — ASIN: B000NXAWHK), says an autopsy revealed that Rasputin sustained only two gunshot wounds, one in the head, the other in the back. Salisbury also speculates that Rasputin ingested only a small amount of potassium cyanide.

Salisbury, who spoke Russian fluently, did a great deal of research in original sources.

Sca (talk) 16:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

In this section, the article states twice that because water was in Rasputin's lungs, this proves that he drowned. While this extra report citation gives it credit, the article should be reworded, as it currently implies that the second report, which found that he had drowned because water got into his lungs after he was submerged, seemed redundant, and loses its ability to back-up the previous sentence.

Jch21 —Preceding undated comment added 11:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC).

This article comments that the reason Rasputin had so little potassium in his body was that it had vaporized during the cooking of the cakes. However, the boiling point of potassium cyanide is listed in the article on KCn as 1625 degrees Celsius. The cakes would have been ash long before the KCn vaporized.

muldrake (talk) 18:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I recently saw a TV documentary on the murder (http://www.liontv.com/London/Productions/Who-Killed-Rasputin-). Prince Yusopov was stated to be carrying a cal .380 ACP Savage self-loading pistol (he shot Rasputin twice in the torso). Another of the conspirators attempted to deliver the coup-de-grace with a revolver (a 7.62 Nagant?) but missed and shot Rasputin through the back or cheek. The British agent then stepped in and fired a .455 Webley point blank into the forehead.The autopsy photo shown clearly had a small calibre wound in the left cheek and a ;large calibre wound in the forehead. Can anyone corroborate this and add to the article? Benvenuto (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

After carefully reviewing this article, I do not believe that it is contradictory. I will be removing the flag saying such. I believe it may have been previously labeled as contradictory because the murder section discusses different theories and arguments against them being truthful; however, this is specified in the section.Jackson Peebles (talk) 02:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

"At the time, the majority of weapons used hard metal-jacketed bullets, with Britain virtually alone in using lead unjacketed bullets in their officers' Webley revolvers. Pounder came to the conclusion that the bullet which caused the fatal shot was a Webley .455 inch unjacketed round, the best fit with the available forensic evidence." I would like to point out that by the First World War, Britain had developed a jacketed .455 Webley round for military use, to comply with the Hague convetion. I am not going to go into implications, but this much is fact. 75.156.144.222 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:00, 7 September 2010 (UTC).


 * While the current Russian military handgun at the time was the 7.62mm Nagant firing a small-caliber metal-jacketed bullet, the previous Russian military handgun was chambered for the .44 Russian cartridge, an older and shorter version of the .44 Special cartridge developed in the US by Smith & Wesson. The .44 Russian cartridge was loaded with unjacketed lead bullets.


 * A member of the Russian nobility, and former army officer, being in possession of a .44 Russian revolver is far more likely than a complicated plot involving British agents with .455 Webley revolvers, especially ones loaded with illegal non-authorized lead bullets that had been removed from service a decade previously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.240.20 (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Please, add this
Since the article is blocked to edit, I'd like to know if any of you could add this to the cultural references to Grigori Rasputin. He is one of the mains antagonists of the PS2 game Shadow Hearts: Covenent. The leader of Sapientes Gladio, Rasputin wishes to use the influence he has gained in Russia to eventually take over the world. He has made a pact with the demon Asmodeus to achieve these ends. After his plan to usurp the throne of Russia is foiled, he allows Asmodeus to take over his body and mind and tries to destroy the world. Rasputin is ultimately defeated by Yuri and dies, but not before informing Yuri of the true power of the Mistletoe's curse and Nicolai's plan to release Malice.

Check Shadow Hearts: Covenant article for more information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.142.58.18 (talk) 14:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Television
Rasputin appears (as a waxdroid) in the Red Dwarf episode Meltdown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.67.47 (talk) 23:11, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

How did Rasputain die
there is nothing on this page to say how he undermined the tsar????

Is Varvara Rasputin dead or alive? The article lists her birth year as 1900 but doesn't provide much more info than that. Maria's article says that she lived with Maria for some time after their father's death, but outside of that, details are vague. Granted she'd be 108 or 109, but it's possible to be that old. So can someone please clarify for me what happened to Varvara? Thanks, -Alan 24.186.126.227 (talk) 13:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

According to a reference at [ http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1369.30] she died in the 1960s. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Cultural References
I'm under the impression that lists of cultural references are frowned upon, but I can't remember where I heard that. Also, it'd be nice to see sources for the myth of Rasputin's death. The to do list for this article should be cleaned up as well. Gamerunknown (talk) 15:21, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

SMT: Devil Summoner appearance?
Could someone add to this page under "In Popular Culture" Rasputin's appearance as an antagonist in the video game Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superkeijikun (talk • contribs) 02:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Rasputin's penis
The article Rasputin's penis seems to have cited content that might be useful to some people (although I don't want to imagine what kind of people), but there isn't enough content to warrant its own article. These details could be easily merged into the section regarding Rasputin's death and the aftermath. --Jtalledo (talk) 02:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Very likely everything that can be said on the subject has already been said at last year's Articles for deletion/Rasputin's penis. Summing up the results, there was "enough content to warrant its own article".  --CliffC (talk) 03:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's wrong. The summary of the debate was "No consensus to merge it to the main article, but that can be discussed further on the article talk page." Which is precisely what I'm doing here. The lead contains info that's already in main article and the "history" section could easily be integrated into the main article as well. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:20, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge. Discussion of Rasputin's penis is probably notable enough to warrant mention here, but the penis or stories about it would not be notable if Rasputin weren't notable for other reasons as well. The content is brief enough and closely enough related to information here to warrant merging. By the way, I agree with Jtalledo that the AfD closed as "keep. No consensus to merge it to the main article, but that can be discussed further..." does not mean that the articles shouldn't be merged. In fact, about a third of AfD discussants called for the articles to be merged. Cnilep (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Seeing as I came to this page from "List of Christian mystics" I am not too sure...--Oracleofottawa (talk) 04:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you mean. Could you explain, and say if you have an opinion about whether to merge the two pages? Thanks, Cnilep (talk) 16:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)


 * In the episode 36 of "Kashi no Ki Mokku" (Pinocchio) of tatsunoko if have a carricature of Raspoutine are the evil magician with her ugly green dwarf to transform the people en animals.

see the links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4nw9SOs20o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dIXngsRssQ&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alainhung (talk • contribs) 15:30, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

There were arguments put forward in the AfD for merge, and a significant number of people !voted for merge - though less than those who !voted to keep. Some of the content of Rasputin's penis is repeated information from the parent article - though this does happen with sub-articles. Some of the sources are insecure, and the information itself is speculative, though there are also solid reliable sources on the Museum which claims to have the penis. There certainly appears to be enough material to have a section on the penis in the parent article (currently there is no information on the penis, just an unsourced statement that he was castrated - which needs clarifying, as it is a disputed claim), though I am very doubtful if the information is sufficent to justify a stand-alone article at the moment. I would support a move of the material into the main Rasputin article as a section, and if the material grows it can then be split out in WP:Summary style. Though I would not oppose the article remaining as a standalone. This is not a major issue. The only thing I would say does need doing is clarifying the castration claim, and perhaps moving material into the main article.  SilkTork  *YES! 19:16, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

The most obvious Merge I have ever seen. Come on, people. Stupidest article ever. Vidor (talk) 09:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was hoping for a neutral third-party to close the merge discussion, but it's been three months and the consensus is to merge. I've merged some of the details from the Rasputin's penis article into a note under the section on Rasputin's murder. --Jtalledo (talk) 12:52, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good job! Thanks. Vidor (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for finally getting this merged. It was pretty clear from the deletion discussion that Rasputin's penis really didn't need its own article and the deletion discussion had a pretty clear consensus to merge, but for whatever reason it wasn't done until now.  68.45.109.14 (talk) 13:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

aspirin
This article has aspirin listed as an anticoagulant, but it is actually an antiplatelet. Thanks! -padfoot (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.57.93 (talk) 03:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

"Citation needed" directly after Citation Twelve (regarding Rasputin's influence over the royal family), as well as Tsar's wife Alexandra's opinion of him
The uncited comment, to undue political domination over the royal family, actually has a source... on the television. It was a History Channel Documentary called "Russia: Land of the Tsars". I taped it, so I may be able to find and write down the precise minutes and seconds (commercials counted) into the show. It aired at midnight of July 27th, 2010.

It stated that many came to Rasputin, thinking that, by befriending him, he could get them "an audience with the Czar". Pardon my spelling changes, I use "tsar" and "czar" interchangibly.

Also, and this doesn't seem to be mentioned, but the Czar's wife, Alexandra, was completely oblivious to his sinful actions, seeing him as a savior, a holy man, and having life-or-death power over her son (Alexi), ever since he had said "tomorrow, you son would stop hemmoraging", and he suddenly did. Everyone else saw what the History Channel called "the real Rasputin", that he was evil and controversial as the article so describes.

I consider that Alexandra's unchanging and naive belief that Rasputin was pure and holy, despite everyone telling her otherwise, is highly notable and would look quite nice in the top sentances.

Also, as the documentary and this article outlined, he was poisoned, but he exited anyway (still alive), so the killer shot him several times and then bashed him in the head with something. Still alive, he was thrown in to a frozen river, and as the article states, water was found in his lungs.

--99.157.108.248 (talk) 17:10, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

History Channel and time travel
"Some of these allegations of sexual misconduct were no doubt encouraged by his frequently embarrasing drunken behavior, on one occasion documented by a History Channel documentary he is said to have opened his pants and waved his penis in front of shocked diners at a Saint Petersburg restaurant whilst inebriated."

How exactly did the History Channel document anything so many decades before even launching? Who cares about Rasputin, tell us more about the time machine the History Channel has! --93.218.185.227 (talk) 18:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Nsnihalsahu, 24 August 2010
please add more sources it is a muffled .I am an accomplished editor from the document filter of google.inc .if it is not edited and made simple this document will be fabricated ,please take my additons.

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Edit request from Rasputinprivates, 23 November 2010
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Evidence has recently arisen, after long and hard studies, many hours of non-stop work, a huge thrust forwards in the knowledge of Resputin's bursting life. Resputin was loved by the women, not because of his dashing good looks, or his erupting charisma, but instead because of his great, thick, long, luscious locks. The man was loved for the time he put in at night, lovingly stroking up and down the length of his hair. Rasputin could spend as much as an hour every night, his hands busy, working furiously back and forth, writing letters concerning political and religious matters, while enormous throngs of his female admirers looked on in amusement and amazement. They were captivated by the enormous, pulsating mass of knowledge he gained through years of self-taught activities, though some he gained with help from one, two, or even three other people at once. Throughout his life, Rasputin slid in and out of poverty and depression, though eventually he reached the climax of his life as a member of Czar Nicholas II's court, and the healer of his son, Alexis. Historians now know that Rasputin, during his time with the Czar, had numerous meetings with his wife, the Czarina, during which they would exchange knowledge, and argue many different positions on such important matters as the war, or when salvation may finally come. Their arguments and different passionate positions brought on much back-and-forth action between the two, continually rubbing each other the wrong way, even through the protests of the other, though neither wanted and end to come. Rasputin finally met his end not by the vast amounts of poison laced in his wine and cakes, nor by the gunshots or clubbing he suffered, but by choking on the icy waters of the River Volga he swallowed. When his body finally found, it was badly mutilated, with certain, very large and important, parts of his anatomy hacked violently off. Or, his immense popularity with the women may have been because of his enormous, fourteen-inch-long penis.

Rasputinprivates (talk) 21:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Atmoz (talk) 02:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 173.35.211.109, 1 December 2010
The following information (which appears on the right side, under the photo) is not logical and thus not correct: Born Grigori Yefimovich Novik  - Novik was not his last name at birth and was not really his last name at all Occupation Russian Orthodox Monk - he was NOT a monk, Orthodox monks are celibate, and never married Title Father Grigori - he was not a priest either,although priests can marry, he was not a priest so this title is wrong and his "occupation" is definitely wrong, his occupation never was a Russian Orthodox Monk

173.35.211.109 (talk) 14:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Untitled
Gregori Rasputin's cause of death was actually hypothermia, not drowning. 12648946995h (talk) 18:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC) the line: "their chauffeur, William Compton, " contains an irrelevant hyperlink to persons called William Compton. The only possible, but rather unlikely, candidate alive in the list ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Compton ) at the time was the 6th Marquis of Northampton, whose wiki web page gives no indication of him being a chauffeur. Therefore the hyperlink should be removed.

about the root-word- rasputnik does not derive from "put" or "road" but from the verb "pustiti" or "raspustiti" which is this form or another exist in all slavic languages and means "to let go" "relinquish" or "release".

Rasputin is referenced in the Indigo Girls' song "Closer To Fine" (1989).

Someone needs to rewrite this it is terrible, Rasputin was not wandering pilgrim and he never heard of Alexi's sicknes. He was living in St. Petersburg for three years, he $$Insert formula here$$lived there since 1903 and met the Tsar and Tsarina in 1905 he was brought in by Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolayevna at the Tsarina's request after the Grand Duchess told her of the Starets (holy man) with healing powers, this was 1907. source: Rasputin: Satyr, Saint, or Satan   Douglas Myers

Change the term travelled neart the bottom of early life to traveled, that is incorrect spelling.

Travelled is the English spelling of the word. Traveled is the Spelling in American English.

in the transcription of путать there should be a prime tick to indicate the myaki znak

Revise: Contemporary opinions saw Rasputin variously as a saintly mystic, visionary, healer and prophet and, on the other side of the coin, as a debauched religious charlatan. poorly phrased

Murder section: Mithridatism cannot affect cyanide, as it is a synthetic substance.

Murder section: Tests have been performed that showed glucose may be a counter agent to cyanide, which is present in both the wine and cake. This may have counteracted the cyanide, saving his life for the time.

78.144.228.114 (talk) 11:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)This article states that the cyanide in Rasputin's stomach may have been dispersed during the burning process. Surely the autopsy would have been done soon after his death [death in 1914, autopsy dated 1916] and therefore any cyanide would have been discovered. By the time his body was dug up and burnt, the autopsy had surely already been carried out? Would an autopsy have been carried out after his body was burnt and sat upright in the flames?78.144.228.114 (talk) 11:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

There is no point in referencing or alluding to the opinions of Elder Nikolai Guryanov as he is not a credible authority on Rasputin, but an ascetic who lived long after the time in question and who had only intuitive conjectures about Rasputin. Wikipedia is not a place to explore the validity of 'divine revelations' made to someone who is no longer alive (Elder Nikolai Guryanov reposed some years ago) and cannot therefore shed light on the accuracy of the interpretation of his 'visions' (if any). More significant would be the fact that the Patriarch of Russia, Alexius the Second, who was of a generation closer to the events in Rasputin's life and had credentials not to mention authority recognised internationally as the accepted Chief Hierarch of All Russian Orthodox congregations, vehemently rejected any suggestion of Rasputin's "holiness" or "ability to heal." So did Metropolitan Vitaly (Ustinov) who led the Russian Orthodox Church in Exile until the time of its eventual reunification with the Moscow patriarchate ROC under his successor, Metropolitan Laurus. None of these established Russian clerics and theologians regarded Rasputin as anything but a fraud. In fact, the statement that "many" Russians alive today view Rasputin as some kind of saint is a brazen lie. A tiny fraction of the Orthodox community subscribe to such extremely radical beliefs -- they can be excused on the basis of sentiment and being far removed from the era and records of Rasputin's activity. Maria Ashot (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Neither is it true that Rasputin's name does not connote lewdness. In fact, given the uncertainty about his origins (and in this regard his daughter would not be a credible source either, since so many descendants of figures prominent in Imperial Russia had to operate relying on false records as a matter of personal survival) Rasputin is not necessarily a surname, but more likely a "prozvishche" -- popular designation. Neither can anyone possibly claim "Novykh" is somehow related to "Novice." "Novykh," like "Starykh," "Sedykh" and other surnames ending in "-ykh" is most likely a Russian variant, or even Russification, of the common Polish surname, "Nowak." It is known that Rasputin did not only "come out of Siberia" but also had roots and spent time in Western Ukraine, ergo in proximity to Poland. It is also known that he was only barely literate in Russian, used extremely poor diction, was a deliberate deceiver, and engaged in public sexual acts that are well-documented and could not possibly fit the type of any kind of 'holy man.' While it is understandable that some people sympathetic for a number of reasons, including entirely creditable reasons, with the Romanovs seek to find ways of making Rasputin appear more palatable to the objective eye, the fact is that the integrity of the Romanovs does not in any way rest upon the character of Rasputin. It is absurd to imagine that the Empress Alexandra, with four grown daughters who never left her side and a seriously ill teenage son, not to mention a household full of staff, would ever have found any occasion for improper or even merely private contact with Rasputin or anyone else. The political situation in Russia, the crisis in government, the overwhelming preponderance of hostile parties watching the Romanovs' every move and waking moment, and the military crises of the Russo-Japanese War followed by World War I created a far too tense, ominous situation at the Imperial Court to allow either the Emperor or the Empress to even contemplate any kind of sexual flirtation or romance, with anyone. As for how much significance the Empress attached to Rasputin's "healing" of the young heir, that is also hearsay: long before Rasputin ever appeared, the Empress devoted many hours to prayer to all the saints and angels, and also to the Virgin Mother of God, Whom she deeply venerated (as her letters confirm); there is no reason to imagine she would be more likely to attribute any "healing" to an illiterate boor of a peasant who stank, than to her own prayers and those of the saints she knew she could rely on. Furthermore, all the evidence shows that the heir Alexis was not in fact healed; he remained ill all the way until the massacre in 1918. The false rumors of his healing were disseminated by Rasputin himself, by sycophants of his such as his dangerously irrational devotee Anna Vyrubova (whose rank at Court unfortunately gave her words more weight than the letters of the Empress suggest they deserved), by enemies of the reigning Emperor (such as the equally self-serving Guchkov who stood everything to gain from exaggerating anything that could possibly be said about Rasputin, whether in support of Rasputin or against him), by the occultists and theosophists who loved the idea of supernatural powers in a nobody from nowhere, by Russian nationalists infatuated with the myth of a mystically superior 'Russian peasant' come to save the world from development, by superstitious religionists of all hues who also stood to gain from the mere idea that 'faith healers' existed, by the uninhibited young women who flocked to sin openly with Rasputin who took comfort in imagining they were engaging in some kind of religious rite (and not common rutting), by the notoriously superstitious and credulous undereducated Russian public, and by everyone who hoped to benefit from Rasputin's 'influence' -- and who therefore were all too willing to be convinced that such 'influence' existed. The simple, straightforward truth is that the Heir Alexis was gravely ill, that he at times suffered terribly (in an age when analgesic & treatment options were of course considerably less advanced than what we are used to taking for granted today) and that no amount of 'Rasputin magnetism' was in fact helping him. Nicholas and Alexandra were perhaps too polite to shut the door to the man -- certainly it would have provoked an outcry if they had, not from those who were upset about Rasputin existing, but from those just as vocal and no less unpredictable elements who were determined to support Rasputin as a useful element in their assorted schemes (including some in the clergy) -- but that does not at all mean that they were completely 'taken in by him.' Much is made of mentions of "our Friend" in letters from the Empress to Nicholas at the Front, yet it is an assumption that she is referring to Rasputin, and not, for example, to some spy or agent or informant, or even some communication from the Heavens that she believes she may have been privileged to receive... The letters speak for themselves; they are written in English and require no translation for non-Russians to read them. Anyone who reads them will immediately understand the impossibility of conceiving of anything less than a perfectly faithful marital union between N & A. As for Rasputin's alleged "warning to the Romanovs" that they too would be murdered if he was, such a "prophecy" is nothing more than a cheap trick by a man who knows he has good reason to fear for his life, having made plenty of enemies amongst high-ranking people, and who, by making such a "prophecy" is basically attempting to leverage the implied threat into better protection for himself from the Imperial Couple who command an army of soldiers, guards, cossacks, police and the like.Maria Ashot (talk) 06:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 141.154.249.25, 28 March 2011
edit semi-protected

i would like to edit this page about rasputin, more specifically the section about his death. In this section, it does not include that he was shot in the head which normally would result in death. I would like to include this piece of information in order to better improve the information of this particular article

141.154.249.25 (talk) 20:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please provide exactly what material you wish to add (i.e. the exact wording of the material), then resubmit an edit request. Thank you. – Ajltalk 20:47, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: The way editsemiprotected works is that you specify the content you would like to add in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail and someone adds it to the article for you. To quote the editsemiprotected template:


 * – Ajltalk 20:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Rasputin and The Jews
There is a wealth of evidence to show that Rasputin was vilified by the aristocracy for his aid to and advocacy of tsarist Russia's severely oppressed Jews. A new book, "Rasputin and The Jews" by Delin Colón, recounts specific events where Rasputin came to the aid of disenfranchised Jews, provoking the anti-Semitic aristocracy to spread malicious rumors about him, in order to discredit the man. The crux of the book is that while the Romanovs sanctioned the slaughter and torture of entire villages of Jews in raids called 'pogroms', Rasputin never harmed nor killed a single soul, and even forgave those who attempted to assassinate him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delincolon (talk • contribs)


 * I have removed the link spam by the author of this book. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Delincolon, 17 April 2011
Add new reference book: "Rasputin and The Jews" by Delin Colón, published April 2011, and available on Amazon

Delincolon (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done: References should only be used for information directly discussed in the article itself. However, that book wouldn't qualify as a reliable source, since it's self-published. Similarly, only reliable, influential books belong in the Further Reading section--this isn't reliable, and given that it was released only 4 days ago, isn't notable/influential. Finally, you can't use Wikipedia to promote your own publications (I assume this is your publication, since your username is the same as the author of the book). Qwyrxian (talk) 10:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 198.30.38.169, 26 May 2011
The main picture of Rasputin is NOT him

198.30.38.169 (talk) 02:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Do you have any evidence of that? The file description page seems to have links verifying it is. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

top photo is incorrect?
The top photo looks wrong. Incorrect tint for the time, incorrect print quality, etc. Also, that is supposed to be a photo f a 44 year-old. From other photos of him at a similar age are vastly different (ie, no eyebrows and different facial morphology). I think someone is trying to be funny. I suggest its removal asap. 118.209.75.154 (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, please provide a reliable source; your impressions are not sufficient, especially since the source page seems to indicate it is correct. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, now I understand--someone uploaded a fake picture over the real one. I'm trying to fix it now. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why it's not changing; I think I properly reverted to the old version, but, at least on my browsers, it's still the wrong version. I'm going to wait and see if it's just some issue with syncing between Commons and Wikipedia.  Qwyrxian (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It works now. Thanks, everyone. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Grigori Rasputin
Grigor Efimovic Rasputin (1871-1916),aventurier rus i lindur ne Pokrovskoje.Me perkrahjen e qarqeve ortodokse ruse, ne cilesine e Atit te Shenjte hyn ne oborrin e Nikolait II. Rasputini behet i gjithepushtetshem prane Carit dhe Caresesh. Aventurat e tij eromane dhe politike orientojne tere jeten ne oborr dhe politiken e brendshme dhe te jashte te Rusise se fillimit te ktij shekulli. Me numrin e madh te te dashurave ai krijoi "Ministrine" e vet, organizem qe punonte ne hije dhe komandonte gjithecka. Orgjite e Rasputinit, qe nisnin me Careshen Aleksandra Feodorovna e perfundonin tek grate e plebejase, diskretituan oborrin perandorak dhe afruan rrenimin e Romanoveve e te gjithe Rusis. Ky analfabet ortodoks, te cilin misticizmi dhe spiritualizmi i aristrokacise Ruse e ngjiten ne kulte fetare dhe politike, u vra nga grupi i princit Jusupov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruzhdi Sherif Shehu (talk • contribs) 14:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 February 2012
Rasputin is portrayed in the movie HellBoy as a cult leader who is trying to bring back the seven gods of chaos. His role in the film is actually very large going into detail about his role in bringing the apocalypse.

Nicholaskafka (talk) 13:50, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: This is covered in Grigori Rasputin in popular culture. If you wold like to improve that article, please open a request on that article's talk page and be specific about what text to add/change and where. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 16:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Biblical verse in External Links?
Right now the External Links list includes a link to Mark 16:18, described as "a bible verse believed by some Christians to ascribe Rasputin-like powers to some Christians" (!). Does this have any direct relevance to the article (in which case it needs to be specifically explained), or is it as bizarre as it looks to me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lemuellio (talk • contribs) 00:19, 11 November 2012 (UTC)