Talk:Groping

April 2006
We should define GROPE and GROPING at the top of the page, and delete the Computing meaning, or put a disambiguation page. GastonSenac 01:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree: GROPE was a feature of ICL's boot procedure on System 39 computers. It is an acronym for General Reconnaisance Of Peripheral Equipment, no doubt considered very witty at the time. TraceyR 22:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh for god's sake get real. It is not a commonly-used term in computing at all, regardless of what a part the boot procedure on an obscure computer from the 1980s was called.


 * The articles cited (but now deleted - vandalism imo), which you presumably didn't read, showed that this is NOT restricted to an "obscure computer from the 1980s" (which is still in use today, fyo) but in current use in Computer Studies courses. Do the research. If you don't like factual definitions you should consider whether Wiki really is the right place for you to spend your time! TraceyR 19:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I changed "Buttocks, breasts and thighs are often groped" to "Areas of the body most frequently groped include buttocks, breasts and thighs," as this seemed more grammatically accurate.

The latter phrasing seems to more precisely say that, "when people in general are groped, they are often groped here," rather than, "people, in general, are often groped here." If this is in error, please revise. aver9839 06:22, 24 November 2006 (GMT)

Re-write
Maybe as a result of numerous edits, the article read very poorly and was rife with unsourced facts, what read like original research and lacked citations. I've re-written the bulk of it and removed the offending information.ShizuokaSensei 07:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Poon my Tang can't be that guy's real name. No way. nz 19:41, 4 February 2007

Genitals
The fascination of an anonymous editor with testicles is alarming! He/She, for whatever motive, seemingly demands the word Testicles mentioned when it is already ecompassed along with penis and vagina in the word Genitals. The point that breasts are mentioned has nothing to do with anything becuase they are not gentitals and so need a mention along with thighs & buttocks. Will have to request protection for this article as he/she is making it their life mission at the moment to ensure they talk bollocks. Pun intended. --ShizuokaSensei 13:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Location Matters?
In my opinion, the word grope is used to describe the touching of breasts more than any other sexual places. Rarely is it used for the touching of anywhere else (because they have their own, personalised slang terms), except maybe the theighs. I've also heard things like "... was groped in the _______." if used to describe the groping of somewhere other than the breasts. However, if you were to just say "groped her," you'd most likely mean that you touched her breasts. Thudunder 05:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Groping is a two way thing when you say "groped him", you'd most likely mean that you touched his testicles etc. It is used to describe other areas other than the breasts, look at the dictionary definition of the word.--88.108.127.195 15:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Just so we're clear, this is not a discussion forum about groping, but about discussing edits to the page. While you're more than entitled to your opinions, unless you're discussing edits to the page that are verifiable and attributed to a reliable source, please take it elsewhere. Thanks Ytny (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Frotteurism versus groping

 * See Talk:Frotteurism. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

groping in Japan? chikan? groping?
Which of the above should the article concentrate on? Groping in Japan has received more media attention than groping in many other nations, but the article (particually before eve teasing was added) seemed to be more about chikan than groping worldwide. Perhaps there should be a dedicated chikan article, there was in the past, but it got changed to a disambiguation page.

119.173.81.176 (talk) 04:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I do not understand your need to remove sections from articles? Such as what you were doing last night? Could you explain what you want to do here? - 4twenty42o (talk) 04:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * most of what I was doing was trying to balance the article, if it concentrates so heavily on groping in Japan, it should be renamed either chikan or groping in Japan - there is a huge amount of undue weight given to groping in Japan and implies that groping only happens in Japan. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 04:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ALl I see at this point is you removing cited content, not attempting to reach a consensus and generally being annoying. Individually not a big deal, but all together.. - 4twenty42o (talk) 05:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course that is all you see, you have already stated that you find me annoyed, so you are concentrating on the editor, rather than the edits - same on the article you followed me to and reverted - you saw me editing and paid no attention to the actual edit. 119.173.81.176 (talk) 05:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually I had both articles watchlisted from the last time you went through this. However to the point, I am concentrating on the removal of cited and references content being removed. Nothing more. Yes you are annoying and probably annoyed too, but that's not my concern. My concern is your removal of content, failure to discuss your changes even after being asked to and edit warring. You reserve the right to report me, complain and even name call if you like. I am not too concerned with my own behavior, as I am more than willing to explain my reversions as well as explain and provide diff's or your content removal.- 4twenty42o (talk) 05:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Chikan != Frotteurism
Under "Japan" it says the japanese word "Chikan" means unwanted frottage on trains. That is not remotely accurate. "Chikan" (痴漢) is simply a generic term meaning "pervert" or "molestor". A quick trip to an online Japanese translator (e.g. http://www.freedict.com/onldict/onldict.php) will confirm this.

Further, the offensive behavior that sometimes occurs on crowded Japanese trains is not at all limited to frottage, with unwanted groping being the main problem. Not to mention the fact that frottage (rubbing of genitals, or in some definitions rubbing bodies) is not the same as groping (unwanted hands in unwanted places) anyway, so "chikan" wouldn't even belong here if it did mean that.

Japanese Manga sometimes show girls yelling "Chikan!" due to unwanted touching or rubbing on trains, but that's simply because loudly outing the pervert is the classic defense against such nonsense in current Japanese society. (and of course it's also in Manga beause it's a reaction to this once-pervasive problem in Japan).

Personally I would say this page needs a full rewrite. Flj529 (talk) 04:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

70% statistic
Was this intended to be 70% of women, or 70% of all students? 65.78.144.206 (talk) 03:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

At any rate, the citation is not from a reputable source --128.141.137.234 (talk) 17:14, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

NPOV?
I'm reverting the statement about the school student survey. I'm not sure what neutrality issues are supposed to be raised: it seems fairly uncontroversial. And it is referenced: sexuality related articles don't have enough referenced facts. --Simon Speed (talk) 09:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Schwarzenegger
Why is Arnold Schwarzenegger linked to this page? I understand he's had allegations of sexual assault levelled against him, but it seems barely tangentially relevant. Should we start linking every single sexual assault allegation to this page? It'll get pretty lengthy. If not, then why is Schwarzenegger's case of particular relevance? (BGH122 (talk) 04:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC))

"Gropegate" is pretty notable. It is covered on Schwarzenegger's page. --Simon Speed (talk) 13:16, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Definition of the word Groping.
These are the definitions of the word Grope according to the next on-line dictionary in google search:

1. To reach about uncertainly; feel one's way: groped for the telephone. 2. To search blindly or uncertainly: grope for an answer. v.tr. 1. To make (one's way) by reaching about uncertainly. 2. Slang To handle or fondle for sexual pleasure.

It seems to author of this definition is limiting the word grope to a forced, surprise sexual handling of a person. No other explanation is given for the word so one can only assume that the person that made this page was simply an angry Feminist. It should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.246.4.195 (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Where is Miami?
In Miami, women are groped every single day. People have recorded this on their cameras over 1,000 times. AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 05:49, 15 January 2012 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer

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Definition
Especially since this is a highly charged and legally relevant article, the definition should be clear, correct and citationed (i.e., it should have a Wikipedia-accepted source that is given). At present, the description/definition is not precise and has no citation. I was surprised that touching (including slapping?) is included in the description. For me, as a native speaker of English familiar with the nonsexual meanings of "grope," this is not what I had expected. Unwanted slapping or touching in a sexual area is sexual misbehavior, but is it correct to classify it as (a kind of) groping? If touching IS included, then shouldn't touching WITH a sexual body part (e.g., a man's genitals or a woman's breasts) be included as well, regardless of where on her or his body the person being molested? 5.34.85.139 (talk) 05:28, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

In the news
In the fall of 2017, there are many allegations against many prominent men in the U.S. Is this worth including? Are Trump's comments worth mentioning? I doubt the latter, but maybe the former is significant enough in scope and consequences to be included. Can people please weigh in on this and make a decision.5.34.85.139 (talk) 05:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Fondling and Groping are Being Dangerously Conflated — Suggest Rewrite
This article blurs the definitions of groping — unwanted sexual touching, often in public — and fondling, which is defined in some dictionaries as “loving touching...” Groping is a form of sexual assault. Fondling typically occurs between two consenting adults. Although fondling is used in a negative context, because it is used positively sometimes, using it as a synonym is not only wrong but it has a harmful effect given Wikipedia’s role in society. It blurs the lines for would-be perpetrators.

Groping is classed as a form of sexual assault in many jurisdictions. Many women have experienced unwanted sexual touching. This article should be rewritten so it does not use blurry terminology. Sbv17 (talk) 16:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)