Talk:Growing Up (The Linda Lindas album)/GA1

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Nominator: 16:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Joeyquism (talk · contribs) 05:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I'm delighted to participate in the first GAN review circle, and even more delighted to be able to review your nomination. I'll try and get back to you within the next few days (Wednesday ~11PM EST at the latest). If you have any questions, feel free to ping me or let me know on my talk page! Joeyquism (talk) 05:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Gonna add some more things I'm seeing below. Apologies for not being as comprehensive as I could have been on the first reply.


 * where they had previously performed their live version of "Racist, Sexist Boy". — You can remove the wikilink for "Racist, Sexist Boy", along with most of the other wikilinks for it above; I think 1-3 wikilinks of the same subject is a good sweet spot, unless the article is blazingly long. There should also still be a mention of it in the background (I noticed you removed it), seeing as it's one of the first songs the band released in general and it appears on the album; one wikilink for it in the background and the one in the track listing should be fine. If you need help with this, let me know.
 * It features Ray Barbee taking pictures of the Linda Lindas using a Polaroid camera. — Include the primary/most applicable profession (skateboarder, photographer, musician) of Ray Barbee before his name; less informed readers may not know who they are. Same with Humberto Leon (photographer).
 * Lil' Dude is a cat, however he is still noted in the liner notes. — Cute detail! Keep this in the article - I think it'd be a nice DYK submission if the article passes. Don't do anything to this, just wanted to note that I saw it earlier and it made me smile.
 * DIY editor Ben Tipple commented, "with debut full-length 'Growing Up' [the Linda Lindas] easily cement themselves as far more than a viral moment, pairing political and social charge with a suitably playful charm." — Perhaps exclude the phrase "with debut full-length 'Growing Up'" and say something like DIY editor Ben Tipple commented that with Growing Up, the Linda Lindas had "easily cement[ed]...."

If I find any more things, I'll let you know. Sorry for being so pedantic; I understand that this is your first GAN and I really want you to succeed and become an even better writer! --Joeyquism (talk) 03:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey Joey! Sorry I haven't replied to you - I've been a little busy so I just edit real quick while I can. Let me do a little checklist of your suggestions that I've done.
 * "compared to riot grrrl sound and ideals" - removed ideals (I don't know what I was thinking)
 * Fixed the paper dolls sentence
 * Clarified the Nino/Monica section
 * Tiny Desk (Home) Concert- I left that as is, because it's the way most sources write it
 * Removed "some" (some shows alongside...)
 * Changed critical reception section to past tense
 * Left tracklist as-is, because I'm looking at the WikiProject Albums style guide, and in the tracklist section it says that the tracklist should be a numbered list unless it is more complex. see WP:TRACKLISTING
 * Music Friends is the name listed in the liner notes. I can email you a picture perhaps? I don't know if that's allowed. I'll see if I can find another source to connect the name "Music Friends" with Carlos' backyard
 * Fixed sources (except for background section- will rewrite soon)
 * Lil' Dude (cat) note- I struggled with this fact for a little while, I was like "Can we credit a cat in the personnel section?" Because in the liner notes, it's simply "Piano on Nino by Lil' Dude" or something like that. I decided to leave it and make a note so that readers would understand. I'm glad you noticed!
 * Fixed "DIY editor Ben Tipple..." quote
 * Thanks! – The Sharpest Lives (the deadliest to lead) 14:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You're all good! Let me know if you need more time to edit the article to meet standards; I totally understand if you are busy. Joeyquism (talk) 20:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Sharpest Lives: Hi there! Just wanted to see if you're still working on the article; I think per general GAN guidelines I can give you about a week more at most unless there exists some outside conflict that demands more of your time (in which case, you'll have to clarify that such a situation is going on, and only then will I be able to grant you more time). Hope you're having a great weekend! joeyquism (talk ) 22:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, one more week would be nice. I just need to work on rewriting the background section. Anyways, I was wondering where I should put the "Racist, Sexist Boy" info. Would it belong in #Background or #Writing and composition? – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 23:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Sharpest Lives Good question. I think the information would maybe be better off in the writing and composition section, as it is, after all, featured on the album. This should also be reflected in the recording period; while I recognize that the liner notes may state that the rest of the album was recorded from June to October of 2021, I believe that May to October would be more accurate considering the fact that that is when "Racist, Sexist Boy" was recorded (unless the version that appears on the album was a re-recording that I'm not aware of - that being said, I suggest going with whatever your instincts may tell you). Of course, this is just my opinion and your judgement takes precedence, though I hope that you take my remarks into consideration when rewriting. For additional information on what information should go where, see WP:ALBUMSTYLE.
 * Your request for a week of extra time has been noted and granted. Best of luck, and I look forward to seeing what you write! joeyquism (talk ) 00:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the idea! As for the recording date- the Racist, Sexist Boy page does state that the song was recorded in May, but that is a live version that was released as a single. The studio version was probably recorded within that June to October window. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 05:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Sharpest Lives: Good work on finding that information! This should likely be mentioned somewhere in the article as well (i.e. indicate that the song had been re-recorded for the album). I'm about to head to sleep, so I apologize if this isn't as helpful as you would have hoped. I'll elaborate if needed in the morning. Happy editing! joeyquism (talk ) 06:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Joeyquism Hey, I rewrote . It is shorter, but I believe it provides good detail, and doesn't go too much into the "Racist, Sexist Boy" writing. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 20:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Sharpest Lives Hi there! Looks a lot better, but I do have some quick concerns:
 * On second thought, the illustrating image is quite large compared to the text, and fixed image sizes are not really something people take to very kindly in reviews. I suggest removing the fixed image size, and just running with however large the image appears after removal. I personally dislike that fixed image sizes aren't utilized more, but they are ultimately better for accessibility purposes and improving the reading experience.
 * Poehler, impressed by the band, invited them to make a cameo for her 2021 film Moxie. - Reads strangely; try Impressed by their performance, Poehler invited... It is also questionable as to whether or not this information should be included as well; however, it does provide context into what the band did before the album, so take this as a mere footnote and do with it as you wish.
 * Remove the Film Music Reporter source - I believe this has been deprecated.
 * ...Viet Thanh Nguyen, who said, "'Racist, Sexist Boy' is the song we need now". - Could be phrased better. Try ...Viet Thanh Nguyen, the latter of which said "'Racist, Sexist Boy' is the song we need now".
 * On May 22, 2021, Epitaph Records announced that it had signed the Linda Lindas. It was later clarified that Epitaph had been working on a deal with the Linda Lindas before the video went viral. - These can be conjoined with a semicolon, and you should mention that it was in the works previously; e.g. On May 22, 2021, Epitaph Records announced that it had signed the Linda Lindas; it was later clarified that Epitaph had been previously working on a deal with the Linda Lindas before the video went viral.
 * That's all I have to say as of now; great work on expanding the lead, by the way! Hope to hear back from you again soon. joeyquism (talk ) 20:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Joeyquism I incorporated your suggestions. No offense to Mr Garza, but the image is just to large and I hate too say it but it might be better off removed, what do you think? As for the lead, is that long enough, or should I go into further detail? BTW, thanks for all the suggestions- I think the article is starting to look much better. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 21:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Sharpest Lives I threw the upright parameter in there just to make sure the image fits. As for the lead, I think the breadth is good as is, but I have one comment:
 * Growing Up, a punk rock album, centers on themes of growing up, discovering oneself, and anxieties that arise in adolescence. - This can be phrased as "Growing Up is a punk rock album, with lyrics that focus on themes of..."
 * Otherwise, great work! I also think the article is looking a lot better, and I'm very much looking forward to see what you write up for it in the coming days. joeyquism (talk ) 21:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Joeyquism I hate to sound ignorant, but am I missing anything? I believe I have addressed your concerns/suggestions, though you say you are excited for me to write more. Just making sure I didn't miss anything. Thanks! – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 21:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Sharpest Lives: Apologies for the miscommunication. I have read through the article again, and I am now more comfortable with passing it. Well done! I should now clarify and amend my message: I'm very much looking forward to see what you write up in the future! joeyquism (talk ) 21:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)