Talk:Gruen transfer

How to update link rot in references?
Currently, the sixth reference links to http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2013/07/victor-gruen-wanted-make-our-suburbs-better-instead-he-invented-mall/6249/, which is dead and also not on archive.org. A quick internet search reveals the new link is:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-07-18/victor-gruen-wanted-to-make-our-suburbs-more-urban-instead-he-invented-the-mall

... which also has an archive.org mirror from 2020-11-08:

https://web.archive.org/web/20201108104326/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-07-18/victor-gruen-wanted-to-make-our-suburbs-more-urban-instead-he-invented-the-mall

I'm not familiar with Wikipedia editing norms, should I just update to the new link? Should it mention the "history" of the references? Include a mirror? TY. --Job Leonard van der Zwan (talk) 09:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Untitled
BSA Page - Victor in itself is a pun on words.

The key is Con C.E. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.160.40.241 (talk) 12:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Accuracy dispute
the gruen transfer describes the complete opposite of the article. Gruen is commonly blamed for hostile architecture found in cheap strip malls. he advocated no such position and the gruen transfer describes a utopian feeling of nostalgia and comfort found in both his writings and design work. you can find all of this in the first reference. http://books.google.com/books?id=yundWQvRPsMC&pg=PA91&dq=%22gruen+transfer%22+%22victor+gruen%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kaeWUZKYCa_-4APG-4GQBA&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22gruen%20transfer%22%20%22victor%20gruen%22&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.70.207.206 (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Added a formatted reference for the book.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:39, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I added content. I think this resolves the "accuracy dispute."  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:42, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Attribution
Copied content and references from Victor Gruen to Gruen transfer; see former page's history for attribution. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Copied references from Gruen transfer to Victor Gruen; see former page's history for attribution. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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Mall/center popularity
The article contains a comment that malls/centers were popular “until the 1990s”. Given the ongoing construction of new properties - in Australia for example entire new suburbs are planned around central shopping malls/centers, and this has definitely not abated since last century.

Development of new “mega-malls” - a la the Mall of the Americas, or Melbourne’s Chadstone, etc worldwide - has definitely slowed. However existing smaller malls have continued their development, starting as local facilities, expanding and extending into sites which service multiple suburbs and then further extension into regional centers.

The migration of retail sales from exclusively in-store to a shared online/in person model has created a change in tenancy in malls. They now support non-retail services aside their traditional tenants. From movie theatres and a food hall being their previous exclusive “non-retail” destinations, they can now incorporate everything from motor vehicle servicing, hair & beauty services, gyms, accommodation, municipal services such as libraries, etc. Essentially if it can work inside a regular retail building & requires access to people - so it excludes manufacturing, primarily - the business can be accommodated at a mall.

They’re not less popular than they were in the 1990s. They’re just no longer full of purely retail tenants. Not all of them will be able to transition - the ones that will fail will be those with solid walls between tenancies & owners unwilling to change the structure of both their buildings & their contracts (eg, they will do themselves no favours if they refuse to move away from tenancy contracts based around audited sales figures; hard to calculate for say that library).

In Australia the big kick for each individual center will come when supermarkets finally get their home delivery model sorted. They currently serve as anchor tenants in every local centre, and major tenants in every regional center behind department store anchors which might or might not yet cope with online migration. When department stores work out they can utilise cheaper - non anchor - retail space as a warehouse to speed “click & collect” distribution to same day for online purchases, and similarly with supermarkets, there will be a big change in “retail”. But for now, no-one is brave enough. Amazon stays at a distance to its customers; current retailers don’t want to lose the physical customers they still have. Stalemate. Keeps malls alive, for now.

Ayrendal (talk) 06:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)