Talk:Grumman LLV

Cost
What was the per-vehicle cost at the time of Grumman contract, 1987? What was the eventual cost and TCO? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.114 (talk) 23:50, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Availability
does anyone know if these vehicles are available to be purchased by private parties, used or new, and are they permitted to be licensed for ordinary use, as a truck or utility vehicle? while they appear to be a bit under-powered, it seems to me that they would be kind of neat vehicles to use for, say, camping/recreation, as well as by tradespeople in the course of doing their daily tasks. also, while it may seem to be an example of the 'stupid question', are right-hand vehicles legal/permitted to be registered and driven here in the u.s. of a.? thanks for the opportunity to ask these questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.221.23 (talk) 19:15, 27 February 2007

I delivery a rural route for a living and need to know about LLVs...the amount of mail has become so great that an ordinary vehicle will not hold all the mail and packages...especially around holidays. I need some information desperately or I'll have to find a new career. The Post Office doesn't seem to give a rat's ass about it's carriers!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.8 (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2007


 * I'm pretty sure all the LLV's that are still usable, are probably being used by the USPS -- they are after all, Long Life Vehicles. They want to get as much out of them as they possibly can -- as for the rural carrier with the weirdly formatted comment, I'm also a rural carrier, we're being issued LLV's in my area. And anyhow, if you are using your own vehicle, you're supposed to supply a vehicle that's capable of carrying the normal amount of mail. Yeah, I've done 2 trips many times the week before xmas, that's just how it is for a rural carrier in their own vehicle. --Kvuo (talk) 06:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The US Postal Service (USPS) has awarded Navistar a development contract to engineer a diesel powertrain replacement for its vehicles. The move is aimed at reducing escalating service and fuel costs associated with an aging fleet.

Under the agreement, the USPS will deliver one of its Long Life Vehicles (LLVs) to Navistar Engine Group's Engineering and Technical Center in Melrose Park, Illinois. Here Navistar's in-house re-power engineering department will develop, install and test a diesel powertrain that features Navistar's MaxxForce 3.2-litre turbodiesel engine.

"When the USPS current fleet was first put into service, diesel fuel and advanced diesel powertrain technology were not widely available. Now, by replacing its gasoline powertrains, USPS could realise diesel's benefits of fuel efficiency, long operational life and low service and operating costs," said Andrew Dondlinger, vice president, North America operations, Navistar Engine Group.

A diesel re-power solution could be used to upgrade USPS vehicles over the next decade, Navistar said. The company believes that the USPS could realise payback on each re-powered vehicle in two years' time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.6.247.197 (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Use outside of the U.S?
The Washington Post article that I cited (Postal service in a bind on upkeep of vehicle fleet) states that "[The Postal service] is the only organization in the world that owns and operates LLVs...," While this article says that others bought them and seems to state that Canada post still operates them. Is this correct? --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 16:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * @Fiftytwo thirty Yes, canada post still does use it. 97.125.231.248 (talk) 14:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Ford/Utilimaster FFV successor?
A Utilimaster/Ford USPS Flex-Fuel vehicle, capable of running on E85 or gasoline, was produced from around 2000-2002. From the outside it appeared to be a slightly larger vehicle. It seems like there was once a page for this vehicle. My understanding is that the USPS was not satisfied with the fuel economy, mainly due to the limited availability of E85, and did not order any more of these vehicles. I am not sure if there were plans to possibly replace the Grumman vehicles with these or not, but perhaps they should at least be mentioned in this article, especially as the USPS has recently been discussing replacing a large portion of the Grumman FFV fleet as they are approaching the end of their service life. Cascade1988 (talk) 03:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)Cascade1988

Quantity in service
In the overview it is stated over 100,000 were purchased and approximately 140,000 are in service. While technically correct that the 140,000 in service is over 100,000 it isn't satisfying. Clearly over 140,000 were purchased. How many were purchased? Over the course of 30 years you would expect a significant percentage to be disabled to crashes and disastrous breakdowns.

2016 document says fleet of 200,000+ includes 163,000 LLVs. How do we explain the rather large discrepancy?

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Fires cause(s) unknown
Added a citation needed for the reason given in the article for the fires, based on article yesterday that the reasons are unknown. --2601:CC:4200:2D7E:18F0:E305:6CF3:C3C4 (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The reason why sometimes that happens is because the windshield wiper fluid is next to the fuse box, and. I think you know what happens next. 97.125.231.248 (talk) 14:36, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This isn't true. The washer line isn't near the fuse panel, I confirmed this on my own LLV when I had it pulled apart last. The fuseboxes do get water damaged though from the windshield leaking in the corner, which is super common. There's an aftermarket fusebox shield available that I've seen installed on a lot of the USPS fleet around here in Seattle.
 * (PostalDog94) 67.160.103.253 (talk) 04:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)