Talk:Guatemala at the 2008 Summer Olympics/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: TheQ Editor (talk · contribs) 19:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I see you have been working hard on these articles. Give me some time to review this. Thanks,  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 19:11, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

 Lead 
 * "and fifteenth Olympics of any kind" should be "and fifteenth Olympics including the Winter Olympics"


 * "Helsinki, Finland, a" --> "Helsinki, Finland. A"

 Background 
 * In the first paragraph, why do you need two of the same FN to cite the same paragraph?


 * Note that Guatemala appeared at the 1932 olympics too.
 * ❌ They didn't. -  NG39  (Used to be NickGibson3900) Talk 02:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like I may be wrong again. But I'm pretty sure that they were there. Antonia Matos participated in the 1932 Olympics but Guatemala did not have a flag bearer.  ΤheQ Editor  Talk? 22:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide evidence as my searchings have produced nothing -  NG39  (Used to be NickGibson3900) Talk 07:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * They participated in the Art competitions in 1932, and in Sports in 1952. Whether you consider the Arts events to be an integral part of the Olympics or not is debatable. They were at the time, but they seem to have been largely erased from the Olympic records by the IOC. Fram (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * "its largest delegation yet sent (as of the 2008 Beijing Olympics)" - "its largest delegation yet sent as of the 2012 Olympics"


 * "As of 2008," - should be "As of 2012,"


 * "thirteen of them consecutive" - it's twelve not thirteen


 * "During that time period, there had yet to have been a Guatemalan athlete who has won a medal." - in the 2012 Olympics, Erick Barrondo won a medal.


 * In the first sentence of the second paragraph, note that it excludes the Winter Olympics because in 1988, 6 athletes showed up.


 * "badminton; boxing; equestrianism; sailing; shooting; swimming; weightlifting;" - semi colons should be commas.

 Athletics 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * "seconds)." - no ")"


 * The time is not 2:28:40, it is 2:28:26. Check the official results. The ESPN results also says it is 2:28:40.


 * Goran Stojiljkovic (2h28:26), is actually 14 seconds not 26 seconds.


 * Knock something about Arévalo being 21 minutes and 54 seconds behind gold medallist.


 * Make the times consistent, sometimes it's spelt out in words and sometimes it's the numeric value.


 * Samuel Kamau should be Samuel Kamau Wanjiru


 * Atsushi Satoh should be Atsushi Sato


 * Also note that the gold medallist broke an olympic record


 * Add a ref with the official 2008 results. (here)


 * "He was 26 years old at the time of his participation in the Athens Olympics of 2004, when he finished 64th in the men's marathon." - "His first in the Olympics was the Athens Olympics of 2004, when he was 26 years old at the time of his participation. He finished 64th in the men's marathon" or something along the lines of mentioning it was his first Olympics.


 * "He returned to participate in the event again at age 30" - "He returned to participate in the event again at age 30 in the 2008 Olympics"


 * "Yonas Kifle Andebrhan" should be "Yonas Kifle" or change it to "Yonas Andebrhan Kifle" and link it to "Yonas Kifle" or change it to "Yonas Andebrhan Kifle" and create a redirect from that to "Yonas Kifle".


 * "Henryk Jozef Szost" should be "Henryk Szost"


 * Also note that he is 19:49 behind gold


 * Jolanta Dukere should be Jolanta Dukure


 * Despoina Zapounidou should be Despina Zapounidou


 * Also note that she was 17:42 behind gold


 * For all four athletes, include date of birth.

 Badminton 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * Note that the two matches took 38 minutes in total with the first being 17 min long and second being 19 min long.


 * Include date of birth


 * It could use a picture about Kevin Cordón.

 Boxing 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * File:Beijing_Workers_Arena.jpg - caption needs a period at the end

 Equestrian 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * Pablo Barrios should be Pablo Barros


 * "OF the 77 competitors" Uncapitalize the "f" on "OF"


 * Lidger Beerbaum should be Ludger Beerbaum

 Modern Pentathlon 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * Same with section "Sailing"


 * Include date of birth

 Shooting 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * Image needs a caption


 * Wait... so he competed at the 1996 Olympics at age 32, and then he became younger by 6 years when he competed at the 2000 Olympics at age 26 and then aged 18 years in 8 years?


 * There's usually a comparison, why isn't there one in this section?

 Swimming 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * Image needs a caption

 Weightlifting 
 * Don't include a "main article" link, include a "see also" link.


 * Could use a picture about Christian López


 * Include birth date


 * How many points did Libor Walzer score?

 Other 
 * Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space.

Discussion
Done all but one. See above for explanation Thanks a lot for the review. -  NG39  (Used to be NickGibson3900) Talk 07:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

The article has way too much repetitiveness. Adding after every athlete "competed in the Beijing Olympics", "represented Guatemala at the Beijing Olympics" and so on is totally unnecessary, the article is about Guatemalans at the Beijing Olympics. "X participated in the marathon" or whatever the event is, is more than enough.

It is very confusing to have for the first athlete 98 competitors, of which 76 finished, when the second athlete claims 97 other athletes, of which 75 finished. It is technically correct (with the first, you include the Guatemalan athlete, but the second time you don't), but it is confusing and totally unnecessary. Give the general information on the marathon once.

The language needs a lot of cleanup; things like "Of those 60, 46 of them finished the event." or "Guatemala experienced a severe political turbulences" don't belong in a GA, and should probably have been caught before nominating it (an occasional problem is normal, but this article has too many of them left).
 * "Guatemala was noted ruled"
 * "For most of the late 1900s, Guatemala experienced a severe political turbulences and endured a guerrilla war that lasted 36 years. The war formally ended in 1996 with the signing of a peace treaty." What are the "late 1900s" in this paragraph? 1905-1909? 1970-1999? It doesn't seem to match the rest of the paragraph at all.
 * "Prior to and including the Beijing Guatemala[...]" the Beijing what?
 * "and a fifteen Olympic games overall" A should be At.
 * "Born on 9 April1971 in Guatemala's capital Guatemala City, in 1971,[...]"
 * "Her race took place on August 20, where Núñez faced 47 other athletes. Of those 47 competitors, 42 finished the race. Núñez ranked last of the 43 finishing athletes". Again, confusing in its repetitiveness. 48 started, 43 finished, Nunez was last of those.
 * " In his first match against Bao that took 17 minutes,[6] Cordón lost, scoring 17 points while his Chinese opponent reached 21 points. He also lost in his second round match that took 19 minutes,[6] where he scored 16 to Bao's 21 points. " He only competed in the first round, had only one match, which had two games (comparable to sets in tennis). Please familiarize yourself with the different sports and their formats if you want to write articles about the Olympics.
 * "Guatemala qualified one boxer for the Olympic boxing tournament." ... "competing in the Beijing Olympics as the only boxer representing Guatemala." We do have an attention span that lasts longer than two sentences, so please don't simply repeat the same info immediately.
 * For the equestrian event, there shouldn't be a "Q" after the results for the first and second qualifying round, as people didn't qualify, everyone was allowed to compete in all three rounds and only then did you qualify.
 * "He was three points greater than [...]" ???
 * " Born in 1963, Romero made his Olympic debut at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta, where he competed in men's skeet and ranked 26th in the final round as a 40 year old. He returned in the Sydney Olympics in 2000 as a 26 year old, finishing in 35th place, and returned again to the Olympics in Beijing at age 48" Perhaps you need to recalculate the ages a bit here... This was noted by TheQ Editor above, and you marked this as "done", but the same very obvious problems are still there. This entry also doesn't match the lead, which says "Three of the twelve athletes were taking part in their second Olympics, and one of them, race walker Luis García, participated in his fourth. " Romero is here said to be at his third Olympics...
 * "The gold medalist, Vincent Hancock, scored 145 points, 34 more points than Romero.[24]" Again, please familiarize yourself with the competition structure here. Hancock scored 121 points, not 145, so only 10 more than Romero. Then, the first 6 of the preliminaries competed in a final round, where they further increased their score obviously. There Hancock went from 121 to 145, but that is with more shots as well. Comparing his 145 to Romeros 111 is apples to oranges, not a fair comparison.
 * "the men's flyweight class, which includes athletes below 51 kilograms in weight." The article on Flyweight states that it is from 49 up to 52 kilos, so below 52 instead of below 51.
 * "With a time of 1:02.92, Morales placed second ahead of Serbian third place finalist Marica Strazmester (1:03.56) and behind Polish first place finalist Zuzanna Mazurek (1:02.77)." Um, they weren't finalists...
 * "During the clean and jerk phrase of the event" That's "phase", not "phrase".

No idea whether these are all the problems, I haven't checked the sources thoroughly and mainly focused on things that were immediately apparent. I seriously wonder, looking also at the reverse GA review you did, whether the two of you know enough about sports to nominate and review sports-related GA articles. Fram (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If only everyone was as good as you. Sadly, there are not many users who are like that. I bet that there will be many problems in a lot of reviews, that is why there needs to be multiple reviews in the FA process. But for the GA process, it's not that strict. One review would be enough, with the occasional GAR. I admit, I did rush through this review a bit and missed some points listed above. My bad, I'll make sure to take my time and go through it more thoroughly., can you fix the issues listed above? Also, for the last part, you think I don't know enough about sports?? Completely True, but I am interested in sports. Sports is basically the only subject that does not include politics, history and overly complicated subjects other than video games. You can hardly find anything about video games other than how to beat this level. So yeah, sports is basically the only subject I'm interested in. But the main reason I was reviewing this article was because NG39 submitted other articles like this to GAN which received rather short reviews so I was thinking of reviewing one myself. Cheers,  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 21:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Failing this. Nominator has "vanished" and concerns were not addressed.  ΤheQ Editor   Talk? 21:58, 24 December 2014 (UTC)