Talk:Guayabera

Discussion?
A lot of work is being done to the article--why is there NO discussion here now? What has happened to the talk pages from the past?75.21.110.251 (talk) 16:13, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Probably because the justification to most edits is evident. However, in the spirit of starting a discussion... someone eliminated the reference to cufflinks in favor of French cuffs in referring to the guayabera's use as a substitute to coat-and-tie in Puerto Rico. As a matter of fact, some guayaberas with regular cuffs allow alternative use of buttons or cufflinks, without having the longer, folded, French cuffs. However, I haven't re-edited the article to that effect. Pr4ever (talk) 11:46, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh hi! Well, since I see most articles' admins/editors will essentially castrate or otherwise torment anyone who DOES NOT post on talk pages before editing, I just thought ....


 * As to the mention of the French cuffs, do you really think we need to belabor the fact that the French cuff by definition is the "cufflink cuff"? I removed that bit because people are putting in all sorts of silly details that have nothing to do with the shirt. As to the convertible cuffs, well, that is one of those details that just doesn't matter because no doubt people are aware of those now.


 * I also had to remove something about Panama hats and the fully described native dress of someplace or other. Honestly, we don't need all that in here - I think this article has been transformed into a truly excellent piece. And it is not I who merits the thanks: someone else did a lot of heavy lifting to shape this article into its perfect mode.75.21.96.66 (talk) 21:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm OK with the article as it now stands. Thanks. Pr4ever (talk) 05:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

“These serve as the national costume of the Southwestern United States.[31][32]” — how can it be possible to have a “national” costume for a region of a nation? Thellomerca (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Photo of Efrain
Can someone please properly caption that photo of Efrain posing in 1956? It looks a bit dumb there with no caption - and I am dumb myself, I do not know how to caption it without ruining it in some way.75.21.96.66 (talk) 21:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I ended up removing this because the quality of the scan/photo just wasn't that high. Unfortunate; cool old photo! Could perhaps be worth working back in? —Luis (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Nomination as a kick-*** article ...
This ought to be nominated. It's the best article on the web treating with its subject. I think it deserves to draw attention as such. I don't know how to do such a thing nor do I know how to draw in the admins, but I have contacted the editor associated with this article as seen above.

I think it's time to give each nation as well as the shirt its proper due in this subject ... with this article.75.21.155.245 (talk) 09:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * When I can finish cleanup on the last section I think I'll nominate it for GA. If anyone wants to help with that I'm all ears!

Fact and citation under "Similar shirts"
So no one can accuse me of fooling about, I have added a fact and cited a URL that directs to a pdf. It is a good, verifiable reference, but is it acceptable in Wikipedia? With all that work, I've left it in rather than lose it at this stage. I see it as a perfectly fine statement and citation. Djathink imacowboy  16:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Shirt-jac references
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110610065603AAYsivB What are Guyanese shirt-jacs? Best Answer: A heavy shirt, which is often worn in place of a jacket during the Fall or the Spring seasons. The name originates from "jacket" and "shirt". A jac shirt may have buttons or a zippered front. A jac shirt usually has two breast pockets and may have front hand pockets as well. Jac shirts are usually worn indoors and outdoors alike.

I found this in an article about a summit meeting. "It might be remarked in passing that there was one little detail about the published photographs of the heads which would have struck Guyanese in particular, and that was their dress. At another famous meeting in Cancún, Mexico in 1981, when 23 leaders from the developed and developing nations came together in the company of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher (who was attired for her formal photo in a regal purple dress), the leaders were in general clad more or less informally for the era. However, there were two – Julius Nyerere of Tanzania and Forbes Burnham of Guyana – sporting short-sleeved shirt-jac suits."

"This time around, against an almost identical sea-and-sand backdrop, nearly all the Latin leaders were decked out in what we would recognize as long-sleeved shirt-jacs. So here it is, the shirt-jac has fallen into disrepute in Guyana, and is being adopted for certain occasions (almost certainly under a different name and via a different route) by the Latin American heads."

http://core.ecu.edu/engl/deenas/international/guyana.htm "Style of Dress: Clothing reflects current fashions around the world, with designer gear being highly popular. Some clothing unique to Guyana is the Shirt-Jac, a combination of a shirt and suit jacket which is decorated heavily with embroidery. It is a practical invention born in response to the yearlong 80 degree average temperature that we experience here. Western dress is pretty much the standard fare. "

http://demerarawaves.com/2014/04/15/rodney-commission-of-inquiry-costing-guy-112-million/ "President Donald Ramotar (in white shirt-jac)" they fell out of style in the late 1990's. but here is a picture a couple of years old of the last president wearing a long sleeve Latin style -Starbwoy (talk) 17:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * further notes: Dictionary definition, picture. Neither mention guayaberas, unfortunately.
 * I updated some links above as well. Will try to get these into the article tonight.—Luis (talk) 17:08, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. —Luis (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

American Samoa?
I'm having no luck finding anything to support the American Samoa claim. Can anyone help out with that? —Luis (talk) 00:10, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Am i missing something?
The intro states "distinguished by two vertical rows of closely sewn pleats running the length of the front and back of the shirt". It's immediately followed by a picture that clearly has three. Also, "vertical row" has a name, and that's column. Nskio (talk) 01:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)