Talk:Guerrilla phase of the Second Chechen War

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Feargod, I beleive you have had this discussion before with Hanzo. These are sensitive and controversial issues. If you want to change the name of this article, start a discussion. Don't just go ahead and hope no-one will notice.ForrestSjap (talk) 19:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I beleive the discussion ended with this decision. Anyway: here are other examples on wiki: Iraqi insurgency, Islamic insurgency in Saudi Arabia, Taliban insurgency... that's the common name used by wikipedia and most sources. Also, I feel very offended by your statement that I hope no-one will notice my edits. I'm not that type of person. Have you heard for WP:BOLD?? -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 20:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

You're "very offended"? You're kidding me. "Insurgency phase of the Second Chechen War" is a silly title. Insurgency isn't just a phase. These lists were made to only describe the events AFTER Russia's main offensive. Insurgency points at combat from day 1, not just the guerrilla warfare. Guerrilla warfare is a very accurate title. There's no need to change it and decide a title for yourself without discussion, which is what you did. You're complaining that someone points this out to you, and at the same time you accuse me of doing the exact same thing. I only changed the spelling mistake in all the articles, and I changed any other titles back because the titles have to be mutual.

If you won't to come up with a title, propose one here, don't just change the Guerrilla Phase title which has been there for years - PietervHuis (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "decide a title for yourself": In case you didn't see this, it wasn't my idea. Also, you agreed on the similar name I renamed it to. I'm now renaming to the exact name you proposed with. -- TheFE ARgod  (Ч) 23:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "You're "very offended"? You're kidding me". Kidding you?? Maybe you are mr. Forrest Sjap... -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 23:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Insurgency points at combat from day 1 - FALSE. See article Taliban insurgency and learn something. -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 23:51, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

You renamed the title to "Insurgency phase of the Second Chechen War" and I never agreed on that title. Now you've made a completely different title again. Do you know how much work it is to rename ALL links? you could just continue discussing instead of changing things by your own will. Also Taliban insurgency is different because Taliban insurgency existed even before the US invaded Afghanistan. - PietervHuis (talk) 00:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * no, it's not different. They were ruling on 90% of territory, like the Chechens (in their case 100%). For your argument, the Chechen insurgency existed even before the Russia invaded in 1999.-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 00:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Insurgency of the Second Chechen War is a weird title. A better title would be Insurgency in Chechnya, or even better, Insurgency in the North Caucasus. That, or we can keep Guerrilla phase. Please post your arguments before you change things (everybody). - PietervHuis (talk) 00:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * why weird? Insurgency of the X war. We got that because you didnt want insurgency phase which would make more logic. Now: Insurgency in the North Caucasus? There were insurgencies in the north caucasus before 2000. Also: Insurgency in Chechnya: there was the 1994-1996 insurgency, so we should assume that Timeline of the Second Chechen War would be more appropriate. -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 00:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes there was insurgency before 2000, just like there was insurgency before in Iraq and Afghanistan. Doesn't really matter. "Insurgency of the X war" is weird, Im not even sure if it should be "Insurgency IN the X war", but best is just to mention the area of insurgency if you want to use that word. - PietervHuis (talk) 00:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC) The problem with "Timeline of the Second Chechen War" is that it refers to the entire war from day 1, and not just the phase after the main offense (guerrilla phase) - PietervHuis (talk) 00:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * so what, all engagements would be listed in that way. See example: Timeline of the War in Afghanistan (2001-present): U.S. invasion and Taliban insurgency covered both-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 11:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Let's keep it as before: "Guerrilla phase". There is absolutely no reason or "logic" to rename a number of articles.Biophys (talk) 01:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

More old talk
You know I wouldn't have a problem if this would be renamed to Timeline of the Second Chechen War, it's just that it has to be done properly right away, because there's so many articles to be renamed and redirected. - PietervHuis (talk) 00:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)