Talk:Guglielmo Zuelli

Alberto Franchetti
I removed Alberto Franchetti from the lead with an edit summary. I feel he has no place there as Puccini and Mascagni place period and style enough, - should verismo be mentioned? For me, the lead is a concise introduction, and to send readers to another different composer they probably won't know doesn't help at that point. It would be good to mention him later on, with a bit of introduction, and hopefully with precision of what may be similar and what not. You decide. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Verismo is not mentioned in the cited source, and the current language reflects the language used by Sauro Rodolfi who is the leading scholar on Zuelli. In this case I would defer to Rodolfi's inclusion of Franchetti as he has written the most detailed account of Zuelli published in academic literature and has the best analysis of Zuelli's work available. If we start arbitrarily altering critical assessment by the best sources on a subject, I don't think that's good editorial judgement. If Rodolfi cites Franchetti specifically, then we should too. By all means add verismo if you can find a source with that language. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)


 * @ One more point on style, it's clear that Zuelli had a penchant for the harmonic language of Italian Romantic lyricism along the lines of Puccini and Mascagni. Verismo is more than just that. It has to do with naturalness and realism in speech and character development within operas in congruence with the verismo literary movement. I'm not familiar enough with Zuelli's two operas to say whether or not they fit this description, but I suspect that they would not given that the first verismo opera cited in literature is Cavalleria rusticana from 1890, and Zuelli's operas are both from a decade earlier.4meter4 (talk) 14:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * On my way out, so brief: nothing wrong with mentioning Franchetti, but - as I tried to say - better in the article body than the lead. Quite generally, I try to keep a lead a summary, and have nothing appear only there. Agree on verismo not good for him, - it was just a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @ Yes, the article could be expanded to include a composition section which addresses style and his other works of note. There are a couple of other works which won composition competitions in genres other than opera that are not even mentioned in this article currently. The article could be expanded to include a list of works as well. My interest in Zuelli was more in his work as an educator and director of various conservatories in Italy as I am currently working on improving our coverage on Italian music schools. I have about a dozen more articles I plan to create on Italian conservatories to go. There is a lot more in the Rodolfi source if you are interested in expanding the article in that direction. Enjoy your travels.4meter4 (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Great to cover conservatories! I am quite busy with the recent deaths (articles), and if nothing there, I'd like to do more reviewing (plans on my user page), so no plans to expand this one for the moment. Thank you for having given us an interesting life story! - Back home, will next upload photos from the previous trip ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 3 November 2023 (UTC)