Talk:Guillaume d'Estouteville

The Lead
The Lead contains two statements that need work: (1) the business of the black death. Did Guillaume d'Estouteville suffer from it? Proof? The Black Death took place ca. 1347-1355, with subsequent regional occurrences. I doubt that his father would have seen it, let alone Guillaume. In the 1430's, when Guillaume's career began, the personnel of the church had fully recovered from the experience, especially the upper clergy, where there was no shortage of talent and ambition. I just doubt the entire sentence's value, especially in the Lead, which is supposed to be a summary of what is in the rest of the article. Also, and this is not the least important part, it is Unreferenced. (2) I understand what the Rebiba Lineage is about, but I doubt that one in 50,000 Catholics does. And so what? It is a piece of trivia, which should not be in the Lead. It needs an explanation to make it relevant. Also, and this is not the least important part, it is Unreferenced.

--Vicedomino (talk) 09:15, 25 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Addendum: It was perhaps his father's brother, also named Guillaume d'Estouteville and a bishop in Normandy (Evreux, Lisieux), who went through the Black Plague.  He would have lived at the right time.  I think that may well lead to the deletion of the Black Plague reference.


 * --Vicedomino (talk) 16:45, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Coat-of-Arms (stemma)
Please DO NOT insert the coat-of-arms found in Wikimedia Commons. It is highly inaccurate, as one can see from the arms d'Estouteville himself had worked into the ceiling of his chapel in S. Maria Maggiore (See the reference in a footnote at the beginning of the article). --Vicedomino (talk) 19:39, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

See Meredith Gill's article in Zeitschrift für Kunstgeschichte, where the stemma is reproduced in figure 3. It can't be copied to Wikipedia, since it is under copyright. D'Estouteville's pride in his grandmother, Catherine de Bourbon, brought him to supercharge his own arms with those of Bourbon. His own family's arms are quartered. --Vicedomino (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2017 (UTC)