Talk:Guitar Hero: Aerosmith/Archive 1

Rumors Section
Should we include a section with internet speculation? For example "This just a rumor, but their is a chance that GH:A might include additional peripherals like Rock Band. http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/17/rumor-guitar-hero-aerosmith-to-use-drum-and-mic-peripherals/"Mm03gt (talk) 20:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Given it's a reliable source (joystiq) I'd make sure to state the name of the source of the rumor along with it. --M ASEM 20:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Rumors Section is about to go

 * Per WP:CRYSTAL, I'm about to nuke it. Coreycubed (talk) 18:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Development rumors don't seem to fall under the guidelines set out by WP:CRYSTAL. They are inferences made from reliable sources, not just baseless speculation about future events.--Mm03gt (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Lose The Game
Why the hell does this article constantly say "lose The Game" every other ****in' word? It's pissing me off, and it's obviously a troll vandalist doing it, unless there's something I'm simply not getting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.3.69 (talk) 00:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's because they're trying to make you lose 'The Game'. I wonder if said game has it's own entry on Wikipedia yet? Or ridiculing the use of the phrase so many times, i'm not sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.209.70 (talk) 01:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Just looked into it, and wikipedia has no entry.. someone should take this trolling and make it into a positive article. for more information go to losethegame.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.209.70 (talk) 01:46, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Trolls/vandals. Just revert the edits. Simple. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 02:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

"List of songs in" article
I have created the List of songs in Guitar Hero: Aerosmith article just to redirect to the main article. Just like other Guitar Hero articles, users are going to add speculation and create the article, so I just created it to hopefully prevent it. Please add the article to your Watchlist and if it gets changed before we have official sources, please revert it back. Thanks. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 03:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Dedicated to Aerosmith?
in the article it says "The game, which will focus entirely on the top-selling American rock band Aerosmith, is set to be released this June." but the PR says "As fans progress through their careers in the game, they can rock out to scores of Aerosmith's greatest hits, as well as songs from celebrated artists that the band has either performed with or has been inspired by in some way." Should we get a change here? 71.222.55.251 (talk) 07:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Protection?
Why is this page protected now? I started this entry after much debate in the GH3 talk section, and now I'm not even allowed to edit it, without even so much as a discussion about the necessity for protection? This is extremely frustrating. Hardly in line with seem like wikipedia's principles.--Mm03gt (talk) 15:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There was some vandalism/trolls that were constantly adding the text "Lose The Game" to the article in the past few days. I don't know if anyone requested for page protection, but a Wikipedia administrator had went ahead and protected the page. If you wish to know why the page was protected, it would be best to ask the person who protected the page. In this case, you should ask . Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 19:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * To request that an edit be made to the main article, add  to a new section on this talk page. Be sure to have a clear and specific description of the requested change. Thanks. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 19:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Due to the hype over the announcement of this game, there had been considerable vandalism to both this article as well as to the main Aerosmith article. I requested that both articles be semi-protected. A one-week period of semi-protection (meaning only established registered users can edit) for this article was instituted, while a two-week period of semi-protection was insituted for the Aerosmith article. I'm one of the primary members of the Aerosmith WikiProject, and when I notice that articles are vandalized so much to the point where the vandalism is not being properly reverted in time, and when the history page is loaded with recent vandalism edits by IPs, it's time to semi-protect it. This is just meant to be sort of a cool-down period to try and discourage the vandals and trolls. I must say, though, that the people who put this article together so quickly have done a great job so far. I'm sorry if you're too new that you can't edit it, but just give it about a week, and you can resume editing. Abog (talk) 16:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the clarification, --Mm03gt (talk) 01:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

PC/Mac Platform
This game is in the "PC game" and "Mac game" category, but as far as the article states, there doesn't seem to be a planned release for computer. Should it be removed from those categories, or does the article simply forget to mention this platform? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.233.126.39 (talk) 23:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

GI songs
Game Informer says that these songs are in the game: Movin' Out, Make It, Sweet Emotion, Draw The Line, Uncle Salty, No Surprize, Kings and Queens, Mott the Hoople - All The Young Dudes, The Kinks - All Day and All of the Night, Joan Jett - I Hate Myself for Loving You, Cheap Trick - Dream Police

Although it's just a quote from the band, viable or no?

Soundtrack section
Anon IPs continue to try to change the soundtrack section, presently in prose, to a list of songs like we'd normally do for the other GH games. However, I feel at the present, there's not enough verifiable information to create this list - we have about 4-5 songs absolutely confirmed, and 3-4 other groups, but then several others that are status unsure. I think we need to wait until we have at least 10-12 songs that can be fitted into a list (artist and song, particularly for non-Aerosmith tracks) to make this more a list than prose. --M ASEM 15:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

It needs re-protected again. Every other edit is spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.166.165.234 (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, now that we have the first 3 tiers, I've gone ahead and made this a table. Note that I've used the format that I've converted the List of songs in Guitar Hero into based on a suggestion that grouping songs in tiers is showing some fan favoritism to the game, as likely others not necessarily interested in the game will be more interested in what songs, so grouping in one large sortable table (separating bonus songs if there are any) is better.  Once the list is complete we'll move it to List of songs in Guitar Hero: Aerosmith (which I will make sure redirects to here presently. ) --M ASEM  23:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey all, getting a bit frustrated with keep being edited out, most recently over bonus songs. The article quoted is: http://www.destructoid.com/hands-on-impressions-guitar-hero-aerosmith-88756.phtml but I can't get the damned page to show it properly. Also, I personally really do think that the soundtrack section, given the layout and storyline of this game, was much better suited to tier organisation. Looks very messy as it is at the moment. --Face777 (talk) 00:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll add that in a bit (I think it was added before but destructriod wasn't serving it correctly, thus failing to be useful). As for the approach, once the full track is known, it'll be split off to a list article, which, based on our other GH lists that have gone to Featured List, should be approached like a discography and not from the standpoint of the game.  It's still sortable on the tiers to see the right order (or will be, once completed). --M ASEM  00:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

"Simulation"
I would like to challenge the usage of the phrase, "simulation of the playing of rock music," or something to that effect. My reasoning is, Guitar Hero: Aerosmith is not a simulator. If it were, it would have 22 fret buttons and 6 strum bars. Saying that it's a simulation is like sayig World of Warcraft is a mining simulator. I tried to edit the phrase and it was deleted immediately. --MisterMcLov1n, 3/31/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by MisterMcLov1n (talk • contribs) 01:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Can I respectfully disagree? I think Guitar Hero and Rock Band type games are types of simulators, like the FIFA games are soccer sims, the Ace Combat games are flight sims, the Forza games are racing sims, etc. You can play all of these with a with a standard console controller and when doing so, they are still sims. It is not as though these games are only sims when played with the simulated controller (flight stick, driving wheel...um...nothing for FIFA though). Does that make sense? The controller (and amount or lack of buttons) isn't the issue. I think it's OK to call these games guitar/drum sims. The difference with WarCraft is, the point of the game is to wage war. Not go mining. It can be called a war planning sim...most video games do try to simulate something virtually. Oh and by the way I didn't touch this article or delete your edit...just browsing the talk page and thought I'd chime in. Hopefully this makes sense but if not please ignore me, thanks!!--Scottymoze (talk) 22:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Dream On
Does anybody know if this version of Dream On will be the one from the first album or the rerecorded one for Guitar Hero III. Sweetchild01 (talk) 23:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Dream On hasn't been confirmed yet. The only mention is that it was released as DLC for Guitar Hero III.  My 2 pennies is that the 2007 re-recording will show up in this game.  I believe that Dream On will show up in GH:A since it was only available in GH3 for a week, then subsequently pulled.  The limited window was used to keep the song fresh for the people who will buy this game, and to stave off the "I can get it in GH3, why would I pay for it?" arguments.  I think they'll use the re-recording simply because they use re-recordings when the masters are lost or unusable, which would be pretty likely for a song recorded in the 70s.  The original's either lost in the ether, or the guitar track had other instruments on it, making it unusable for the game (Harmonix has explained before that's why a lot of the older songs in Rock Band are covers).  The previews mentioned that Aerosmith had to re-record a few of their songs, because the masters weren't usable.  Dream On is likely one of those.  We'll see.  Skrutop (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

History Section
Someone wrote the line "This is not the first time Aerosmith have featured in such a game. Quest for Fame had a very similar premise to this Guitar Hero edition" in the history section. It's an interesting tidbit, but it doesn't feel like it should be in the history section for GH:A. I'm thinking that there could be another section that references Quest for Fame and Revolution X as other games that have featured Aerosmith, but I'm not sure where to put it and what to call it. Any ideas? Skrutop (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess the Aerosmith template already serves this purpose well, right? Or, if anything else, these bits of info could be placed in their own article.189.82.72.208 (talk) 00:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Why Is there a separate column for the Wii?
Every console is going to have the same setlist, so what's the point of this? Ultrabasurero (talk) 13:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

DragonForce? Eruption?
There is no proof for these songs. Considering the unliklihood of TWO songs being included in this game by the same, non-Aerosmith band, and the fact that all of the songs are mentioned on Guitar Hero dream setlists, I propose that they were added as vandalism and should be removed immediately. 72.240.177.210 (talk) 01:47, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done Teancum (talk) 15:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Teancum

The Cult & Run DMC
The new display box at Gamestop adds that there will be a song by The Cult - I'd assume "She Sells Sanctuary" - and that Walk This Way will be the Run DMC version. However, I don't have any pics, so I won't put it in the main article. Pretty cool news, though.Skrutop (talk) 16:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not just the Run DMC version. Two versions of Walk This Way will be used. The second version is just Aerosmith, the regular version. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 19:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Controller featured on US TV
Monday night, on the show "How I Met Your Mother" the character Marshall could be seen running around with the GH: Aerosmith guitar (or at least the faceplate). Not really worth mentioning in the article, but a fun little fact nonetheless. Teancum (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw this. I also noticed Guitar Hero III was showcased on My Name Is Earl in an episode before its release. Meweight (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Train Kept A Rollin' Named in Xbox 360 Achievements
360sync.com posted the achievements for Guitar Hero:Aerosmith. One of them is to get 350k on Train Kept A Rollin'. That doesn't count as "confirmed," does it? Skrutop (talk) 12:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would guess no. Especially since referencing a thread on scorehero.com wasn't good enough either. Crazydiamond1to9 (talk) 05:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Why No Order?
Why in the setlist is it all out of order from the venues? Shouldn't it be in order from the venues? It just looks kinda dumb in the "Set 2, Set 5, Set 1" format. --ZacLOL (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * When we brought the other Guitar Hero lists to Featured List status, it was recommended that we treat the list as a discography, with the tracks in alphabetical order, rather than as they are presented in game, as, from a WP standpoint, it is not what order that the tracks are that are in the game, it's what tracks are in the game that is most important with the widest appeal.


 * I'm with ZacLOL on this one. I think it makes more sense to show where they are in the game.  It's not like the list is hundreds of songs long; if you need to scan for Sweet Emotion, for instance, it's pretty easy to find. Skrutop (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

--M ASEM 22:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC) yeah this looks dumb and needs to be put into order by venue/set —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.89.106 (talk) 00:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The Pokemon list uses different ordering options...could we try that?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Would somebody please put this in order of tier. it makes more sense to have it how it is in the game not in alphabetical order. people looking at this page are more interested in the tiers and its easier to read that way. would somebody PLEASE fix this. Acdc021292 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.89.106 (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Release Date
Amazon lists the release date as June 29, not the 28th as listed at the top of the article. Since there is no reference for June 28, can it be trusted? I'm sure it's probably out of some press release, but in light of this discrepancy, the source of the date in the article should be cited.--Skucera (talk) 02:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wal-Mart and Gamestop list the same date as Amazon.--Skucera (talk) 02:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Order By Tier Broken?
I tried to sort by tier, but instead it just sent me to the top of the page. I looked at the wikicode, but couldn't figure out why the table was doing that. Sorting by song, artist, and master recording seems to work fine. Any ideas of what's causing that? Skrutop (talk) 13:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks to be working now. Probably something in the table format was off. -- TRTX T / C 15:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Soundtrack ready to split off?
It looks like we've got the complete setlist for this game now. This includes the Main and Bonus setlists. Looks like it's time to split the soundtrack into it's own article, and then seperate the Main and Bonus lists as usual. Everybody okay with that? -- TRTX T / C 15:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Was just about to post to ask this. I think we're ready, let's make sure there's no other major problems. --M ASEM  18:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I think there are 2 more sets(and maybe another guitar battle). It's 41 songs IN ADDITION to bonus songs. But its enough to do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.70.175 (talk) 00:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Moscow and Half Time Show Switched?
Someone swapped Moscow and the Half Time Show (HTS) tiers in the list, which matches what consolehero.com has -->. However, that's different than what's been on the page for awhile, and if you click the source link for tier 5 on the consolehero page for GH:A, it says that HTS is tier 4. So which is it? Skrutop (talk) 15:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It's Half Time Show then Moscow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.221.146.199 (talk) 04:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Guitar Hero III controller
Is the Guitar Hero III controller compatible with this game? If so, should it go in the article? 88.105.126.204 (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe this is implied by the information in the Bundle section: as it will be a standalone game as well as a bundle, older guitar controllers should still work. This could be made more explicit however. --M ASEM  15:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Final Setlist revealed
Story is being picked up in multiple places now. [Joystiq], Kotaku also has it up. Has the final Tier listings (Moscow, then Half-Time, then Hall of Fame) + the vault. The only "mistake" that I'm hearing is that the Guitar Battle comes before "Train Kept A Rollin'"...but that's only from forum posts and YouTube vids? what say everybody? We good to split this to List of songs in Guitar Hero: Aerosmith? -- TRTX T / C 15:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Go for it. Make sure to include facts about how Joe Perry and others had to rerecord parts of songs for this, etc - this article and the list should easily become featured without too much trouble. --M ASEM  15:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Blatant Wikipedia lie
The game *is* released. I've been playing it for about an hour now. But how do I fix that stupid box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.93.10.238 (talk) 18:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No it isn't. I don't know where u r but it comes out in the UK 2morrow and US Sunday. Either u got it "bootleg" or someone sold it to you early.


 * Any copies of the game available now are broken street dates. Which are not official. -- TRTX T / C 01:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember, EU got this game first (on the 26th). It is possible that the anon above is correct. --M ASEM  01:06, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protecting this page
Should we have this page semi-protected? Many IP's a making it very difficult to continue progress on developing this article. To much vandalism and reverting every other moment. Gears  Of War  13:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Differences from Guitar Hero III
I added this section, but I'm not the best with words so someone more experienced should clean this up. I feel that this section is important because while the two games are very similar there are differences, and I believe that most people considering the purchase of GH Aerosmith will be people who played GH3 previously.

Disposableninja (talk) 19:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I merged these details into the gameplay, it reads better that way. --M ASEM 21:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Photo of guitar
If you did get the Aerosmith guitar bundle and have the ability to do so, please get a free picture up on WP so we can replace the non-free image of the bundle. Thanks --M ASEM 20:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Difficulty
I've added in the reception section a short paragraph mentioning the things I've read on forums where fans of the series have complained about how easy the game is. Since I've seen a fair few people claiming to have beat the game in a day I think it's notable. Feel free to delete it if I'm wrong and throw pancakes at me or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.61.127 (talk) 18:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We already have a reliable source review from IGN that comments the difficult is low; forum comments are not appropriate. --M ASEM 19:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

"Four note-chord" significance?
Is there any significant reason that the four-note chord is mentioned? I know this is something that's been removed on more than one occasion. It sounds kind of game guidish to me, it may be noteable in the first occurance (similiar to how GHII "introduced" three note chords), but are we going to keep track of every instance going forward? -- TRTX T / C 12:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It does need to be removed, unless a RS mentions that the four note chord exists. --M ASEM  12:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Rock Band Guitar
I think it should mentioned that the Rock Band guitar is compatible with GH:A. It wasn't compatible with GH III so it's the 1st game to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.4.218.67 (talk) 03:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We need a reliable source that says that, as that would be very hard to believe that GH3 is not compatiable. --M ASEM 03:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's the source: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/686749/Rock_Band_Guitar_Work_With_GH_Aerosmith.html Teancum (talk) 04:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

What is outdated about Reception?
I saw that somebody tagged the Reception section as outdated, but left no comment here regarding how to improve it. At least none that I can find. I'm going to remove it. -- TRTX T / C 12:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

X-Play's review
G4TV's X-Play gave it 3 "Dream Ons"(stars) out of 5.Here's the link: http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/reviews/1809/Guitar_Hero_Aerosmith.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.250.7.92 (talk) 04:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅, and thanks for the link and reminder. King Rock (Gears of War) 18:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

FA
What steps do we need to take to get this article to FA status? King Rock (Gears of War) 17:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Three key things:
 * The bundle image needs to be replaced with a free image of the guitar; that is replacable non-free and it won't fly in FA.

✅, had to remove it all together because I couldnt find a fair use version. King Rock (Gears of War) 22:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We need sales #s. I have not seen any but it's only been out a couple weeks.
 * We need a third-party copyedit; recent FA experience says that if this is not done before doing the FA, its a lot worse trying to get the article through. --M ASEM  17:44, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay thats alot. Should we try to get a peer review? King Rock (Gears of War) 17:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It can't hurt; just remember that it does need to be closed before the FA process starts. --M ASEM 18:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * One thing I can suggest is that you somehow make the game older and less currently relevant. If you can't do that, I couldn't support featuring, since a currently relevant subject is, by definition, unstable, as content will be added consistently - reception will change, sales will change, more development info will likely pop up, etc. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Bundle Image
What should the image we replace the current bundle image look like? Where should I look for it? King Rock (Gears of War) 18:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe the recommendation was that someone should photograph the guitar which comes with the game bundle, or otherwise the contents of the game bundle. This needs to be done in a way so that it's not simply a reproduction of the (copyrighted) art used on the packaging.  --Slordak (talk) 15:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Strange Vandalism
Ok, when I wasn't logged in there was some strange vandalism, with a reference to the Zodiac Killer, that overflowed the page. It's on all guitar hero pages, so I think there should be protection, until this user is blocked. I'm not that skilled of a wikipedia user, and couldn't find anything on the history of the page. Thanks to whoever fixes this problem. gravediggerfuneral —Preceding comment was added at 01:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, somebody is doing this to Wikipedia pages! I was just editing 'Prior Restraint' and somebody had vandalized that one as well and on top of that this time they had a pic file with a Zodiac sign. Russian letters (cyrlic) and the message "I am Zodiac, you cannot stop me" on it. That is not funny. That man killed innocent people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.52.42 (talk) 18:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

PC version / Rock Band Strat?
I haven't seen any news on this, but I didn't know if someone found any news posts on whether the Strat works on GH: A (PC). Thanks in advance if you know of anything. --Teancum (talk) 00:28, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Other version guitar controllers
I have tested that also the XBox 360 explorer USB version works with the PS2 version of GH: A. No adapters needed, just plug the USB in. Releasing the Star Power does not work by tilting the guitar, instead you have to use back button of the controller. Any reliable source for this? Is a youtube video enough? A list of which controllers works between different versions would be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.100.124.218 (talk) 17:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately we can't use personal experience, and youtube videos aren't good enough to include; we need a reliable source to include that. --M ASEM 17:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)