Talk:Guitar Hero (video game)/Archive 1

Artillery
I deleted the Artillery link; the Artillery in Guitar Hero are from Boston like just about all the other bonus song bands; they are not the Danish thrash metal group of the same name, which is who the link pointed to. Also, I can't find any actual information referencing the Upper Crust's full name as "Boston's Upper Crust" (and the band calls itself the Upper Crust on their website), so I just cut the "Boston's". They're from Boston, yes, but as far as I can tell it's not part of their name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.203.97 (talk) 10:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Arcade Version
I see no mention of the arcade version of the game, which I think should be noted somewhere. I've seen and played several different versions of the arcade machine Guitar Hero, some with the guitar and some with simply large buttons.

You might be thinking of the arcade game Guitar Freaks. No relation. MinionOfCthulhu 22:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Good god, I can't believe how many idiots think there is a "Guitar Hero arcade game." Wouldn't they be shocked to see the copyright date on GuitarFreaks... Not to mention the THREE FRETS vs. FIVE FRETS, and a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INTERFACE! And vastly different songs?!?! Ashura96 17:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ears can be particularly sensitive to biting, Ashura. Oddeven2002 00:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Indie Band List
Would anyone object if there was a small page made for all the indie bands with a small description about them with the link going to their homepages? There's enough information to found on most of them though the game and links supplied by the Guitar Hero homepage.

Release Date
Okay, make up your mind and site sources, people. Is the release date November 1st or November 8th? --&#39;Ivan 15:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

It was scheduled to be released on the 8th, but from what I know Best Buy stores started selling it on the 1st.--TTS 15:41, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

The official press release from RedOctane has the release date as November 8th. Even if Best Buy stores started selling it on the 1st, I figure it would be better to go with what we can prove. Jryder 18:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Band Links
The "Made In Mexico" in Guitar Hero are from Rhode Island; they are not the ones from New Zealand. Also, the Artilley in GH are STILL not the Danish group, no matter how many times people link the Danish band; they're from the Boston area.

Hidden Songs
The only source I could find listing Andrew Buch as the composer/performer of "Trippolette" is a forum user who was unsure of himself. 70.95.220.131 16:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Found a cite. Just another forum user, but in a more plausible context. 70.95.220.131 16:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Doesn't his name shown as being the performer on numerous youtube videos of Trippolette count as a liable source?Demoman87 00:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Song links
Added some song links that weren't there previously. Weedwacker 18:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Venues
My roommates and I were discussing this one time: does the venue actually affect anything, or is it just for kicks? We were thinking maybe if you're playing the stadium, the crowd meter might go up slower and down quicker than if you're playing the basement, but we can't verify it. Anyone know for sure? --UNHchabo 07:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Fairly sure it's just for show. --&#39;Ivan 11:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The venues are purely for show. I decided to test this one myself out of curiousity (and because I was hoping to find an easier way to do some of those damned Expert-difficulty songs!) and started various songs and touched nothing. After the same amount of missed notes the song would be failed, though it took longer on the lower difficulty settings because of the corresponding lower number of notes. I'd have added it already but original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. Lankybugger 13:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Game Difficulty
Is this section even necessary? This seems like a joke section worded to make it seem Wikipedia-worthy. I would be bold and just delete the section, but perhaps the original creator of this section would like to save it before it goes the way of the Dodo. Jryder 18:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree,who needs to know about game difficulty? -ShadowGirl 4- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.175.163 (talk) 22:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Artillery and Made In Mexico in GH
...are not the same as the two bands of the same name who already have entries on Wikipedia; as far as I know, they're from the New England area like virtually all the bonus song bands, not Denmark or New Zealand like the respective like-named bands are. Could someone who knows more about one or both of these bands than I do possibly make proper pages for these two groups, so that people stop adding links to the wrong bands? 68.114.203.97 (talk) 01:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

28 skins / 11 different guitars?
Can someone clarify this info in the "features" section? Are there 28 skins for 11 guitar models? Does each guitar have between 2-3 diffent skins for it? ---Jackel 16:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll check in a while, but I don't think the Battle Axe has extra skins. But I'm just assuming so... Colossus 86 18:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok I had a look, you cannot purchase extra skins for the Battle Axe (not that you'd want to, it's a big f*uck off metal axe with blood on it), so the skin count remains 28, while the guitar count is 11 counting 3 by default, 7 to purchase in the unlock shop, and 1 to properly unlock. Colossus 86 18:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that, Colossus 86. ---Jackel 19:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Does that guitar count also include the Scythe used only by the Grim Ripper?--Weedwacker 02:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point, probably not. Regretfully though, I cannot check as my save file has been compromised and I'm back at square one... Although, I'm not sure it's fair to claim 12 guitar models for two reasons. First, the scythe is unique in that you cannot 'select' it like you can with the other guitars, in the same way that Grim cannot use any other guitar, so I would suggest that it is not an an extra guitar model, rather, an extention of the Grim Reaper unlockable content.
 * Secondly, the initial three plus the seven 'unlock shop' guitars are all modeled on their real-life Gibson counterparts (right? maybe I'm mistaken). To my knowledge, the Battle Axe does not exist, at least in the professional guitar playing circuits, nor does the Scythe. So what is correct? I don't know really, I guess saying there are 12 guitars in the game would be more correct than saying 11 or 10, as it is just a game, and not real life. Colossus 86 11:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Some character inaccuracies I found and edited
Xavier Stone - If you watch the character bonus video, they say that Xavier Stone is intended to be a Modern Rock musician, not R&B. He's not a tribute to anyone, since he was originally a much more muscular white musician, as shown in the same bonus video. However, if I were to give him a tribute to, it’d be either Jimi Hendrix or, I think more accurately, Tom Morello, lead guitarist of Audioslave and formerly Rage Against the Machine. Since Tom Morello is also a musical protégé, a Harvard graduate, and Modern rock guitarist, it makes more sense that he’d be a tribute to Morello.

Johnny Napalm – He is a tribute to other artists, I can’t remember who. This is also stated in the bonus video.

Axel Steel – Supposed to represent older metal. Also, his “end move” happens with all characters when you complete a difficulty.

Pandora – She’s supposed to represent Nu Metal and Goth.

Izzy Sparks – He’s a mix of Glam and Hair metal.

Grim Ripper – Just because he’s Death, doesn’t mean his genre is Death Metal. He’s intended to be a sort of “final boss” who has the “best moves of everyone.” He’s intended to represent no specific genre.

Exactly, it's the bloody grim reaper! His only genre constraint is "awesome".


 * You're completely right, there were many inaccuracies, and a lot of, frankly, original research in the characters section which I think is redundant and uninteresting. Sure, in the "making of" video, there are references to some game characters having traits associated with a few well known musicians but that is the exception rather than the rule. And frankly, I don't think an incomplete listing of details such as characters clothing and star power moves is notable. The details are boring and the fact that some characters are practically untouched looks very, I suppose... unprofessional. So, I would suggest that we remove the whole section, and maybe include a brief note in the rest of the artical noting that the 8 game characters represent the genres Nu Metal/Goth Metal, Glam/Hair Metal, Modern Rock, etc. Anybody care to comment? --Colossus 86 08:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I think we should keep it. Sure it may not be important, but hey, people may want to know who the guitarists are probably based off of, and what makes them different from the other guiarists. I say keep. Sam 03:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I say it goes. A condensed version might work (name, genre, brief bio, and possibly a picture). The possible tributes is just speculation. Bshbass 19:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It seems to have been taken care of by Y2kcrazyjoker4, as well as the tidying up of other parts of the article. Good job Y2kcrazyjoker4, thanks. --Colossus 86 13:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Interactivity
The "Gameplay" section currently has the following text:

"It is worth noting that the musical system is much more interactive than other music games due to its practical concept that notes missed by the player will not be heard in the song. This concept not only gives the player the feeling that he/she is actually playing the song, but it also motivates them to play better in order to hear the song in its entirety."

This makes it sound like the interactivity of Guitar Hero is unique (or at least very unusual) in music games, which seems to be overstating the case. Off the top of my head, the only common music game I can think of that isn't interactive in this way is Dance Dance Revolution (and its cousins Pump it Up and In the Groove). All of the Beatmania variants, Guitar Freaks, DrumMania, Pop 'n Music, and even good ol' KeyboardMania are interactive in the sense that wrong/omitted keypresses cause wrong/omitted notes in the playback.

Any thoughts on how to rewrite this section to reflect this? Kickaha Ota 23:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, remove it. --Graveenib 02:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Blunt, but effective. :) Done. Kickaha Ota 14:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Xbox 360
Why not?

This isn't a gaming news site. Go e-mail Gamespot if you want a question like that answered. The Kinslayer 14:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Freetar
Freetar Hero is not non-existant. It's been released. So has the editor. A link should most definitely be included in the article. -JNighthawk 03:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I misunderstood :-) However, I think a link to Freetar should be included, and an article should be written on it. -JNighthawk 03:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Song score
I originally added the star rating scoring info, which I found on ScoreHero.com and found it to be reliable. I'm not sure if that constitutes original research, as it was done by a third-party, but if so, I hope someone can find a source for it, as it's good info. Anyways... Y2kcrazyjoker4 reverted a deletion that someone made to delete the "3 stars requires 1 * BaseSongScore." I just re-deleted it, as the information is not true. If you missed every 10th note, you would not achieve 1 * BaseSongScore, since you would not have hit every note in the song, and on the notes you did hit, you only have a 1x multiplier. JNighthawk 03:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC) (A little late, as I forgot to sign it before)

All the scoring information on ScoreHero.com was original work done by various members of the site. If you are interested in any further information, contact JCirri (the creator) on the site forums and he will be more than happy to help you out.

Some changes
I merged the soundtrack and songlist sections, and removed or reworded the major redundancies. I removed the rubbish about "I Love Rock and Roll" not being a cover. Load the game up and see for yourself; it says "as made famous by". I removed the formula stuff from the scoring section, as irregardless of it being Original Research or not, it is ultimately unimportant, and gameguideish to explain in such depth. I removed the note about motion afteraffect, as it was a unsourced weasel wording. I also combined the lead into two paragraphs, but did not change the text.--Drat (Talk) 05:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

No Reception?
Awards and recognition is now its own section, moved from the jumbled narrative that was the second paragraph. There's a lot more room for more awards, and they're out there, so please add them here as you run into them. Let's make this a list of awards to be respected, like that of God of War (video game) and Resident Evil 4. - Keithustus 14:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Copy game
This game is too close to GuitarFreaks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.158.223.80 (talk • contribs)


 * I agree, but it is a popular published game, it should be respected as so.
 * However, I must insist that the page should have some indication that Guitar Hero's main concept is borrowed from Konami's Guitar Freaks. It is unreasonable that many organizations have awarded Guitar Hero "most original game play" and on, people should know about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.44.170 (talk • contribs)


 * Particularly, that "Excellence in Game Innovation" award, when the game was published in 2005, and Guitar Freaks is from 1998.


 * There is many rythm games in Japan starting from beatmania in 1997. The market is somehow saturated, and people is moving to PC-based beatmania or DDR players that include all the Bemani categories, where a greater database of songs is available. This may be the reason why Guitar Hero was never released in Japan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.112.16.168 (talk • contribs)

Favorite song
Okay, all you posters. This is for all people, including those who can't play this game if their lives depended on it. (Raises hand) What is your favorite song in the game. Although I'm a country guy, I like Sharp Dressed Man.--BigMac1212 22:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking Godzilla or Take It Off. I'm a Blue Oyster Cult fan myself, but Take It Off is just fun to play. - JNighthawk 18:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Come on. Clearly, Stellar is the best song. It is just fun to play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gogogoblueandred (talk • contribs)
 * I have several sources that cite Iron Man as being your favorite song.12.192.132.130 (talk) 13:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

This is not a forum.  21655  ταλκ / 01ҁ 15:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Requesting edit protection
The article has been vandalised countless times as of late, and to prevent this article from going into the pits, I suggest it be put on protection from edits by unregistered and new users. Weedwacker 01:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Character redirects.
I redirected the two character pages created thus far back to this article, as there is really no need for individual pages for characters that serve little more than visual difference.--Drat (Talk) 07:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Guitar Hero: 80s Edition (GH3)
In light of news of GH:80s being out early this year, I created a redirect page for it (Guitar Hero: 1980s Edition) that points back to here. Once more details are known, the page should be fleshed out fully. --Masem 20:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Unused songs
I removed the links from Trippolette and Graveyard Shift, as Trippolette only linked to the page it came from (Clicking on it would bring you to the Guitar Hero 1 page that you were already reading) and Graveyard shift would take you to the Stephen King novel, and the disambiguation page for Graveyard Shift doesn't have a page on the song anyway. 67.121.234.75 07:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Bonus track links
along with the unused tracks, aside from Fire It Up (which I linked to the actual song, not just the album) none of the bonus tracks actually linked to the song, so I got rid of the links. Same with The 3 bands without actual wiki pages, and one that is under protected deletion. 67.121.234.75 07:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
I am removing the trivia section as it is not encyclopedic. If a concensus feels there is content there that should still be included in the article, it should be added to appropriate sections of the article. Gravee 20:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Fake Track List
I was correcting a bad Wikipedia link, and noticed right afterwards that the entire list seems to have been substantially altered and falsified. New to Wikipedia, but it looks like someone's changing it every few minutes. Someone want to take care of the page/the user?

Moving list of songs to different article
Guitar Hero II recently got a Good Article consideration review, and there's a few fixable problems, but the reviewer noted that the song list would be better placed on a separate page. While that list in GHII is a bit heavy compared to GHI or GHIII or Rock Band, I think we should stay consistent for the other games, ONCE the full sets are known. For GHIII and RB that's not the case, but it is the case for GHI.

Any reasons not to move the setlist to a new page? --Masem 14:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're moving it to a new page to improve the article to "Good" status, you might want to flesh out the entire article as well. Compared to the Guitar Hero II article, it's pretty lacking. There's much more that could be said in "Reception", not simply critically, but through sales and popularity. It did launch a franchise, after all. Pele Merengue 18:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh definitely, plus (particularly for this game) there should be a development history section, regardless if we move the song list or not (though we have this on the series page). I've added a todo list with some ideas for improving this.--Masem 18:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Guitar peripheral image
Just as a heads up, a user has replaced the original black-and-white guitar controller image file with an image of the Guitar Hero II controller. I'm assuming it should be reuploaded or changed or removed or whatever. Pele Merengue 18:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The person replaced the picture of the GH1 controller with a Commons picture of the GH2 controller because they failed to name their picture in an intelligent manner. For that reason, the Commons' photo is getting forced upon the other GH articles, despite the fact that is is misnamed. Y2kcrazyjoker4 16:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

"I Wanna Be Sedated" is not a cover
The article says:
 * All cover tracks are credited on screen with the phrase "as made famous by" (e.g., "I Wanna Be Sedated, as made famous by The Ramones").

If this is in the game, the developer made a mistake, since "I Wanna Be Sedated" is not a cover. - Stormwatch 21:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's a cover. They had some *very* good musicians do the covers, including singers who were extremely good at imitating the original singers.  In fact, when they used the master track of "John the Fisherman" on GH2 as the first non-bonus master track, they had all sorts of headaches getting it into the game with adequate quality, because "recording technology in 1990 was nowhere near modern standards."  I'd expect that a Ramones song would be even more of a pain in the butt, since it was recorded in the mid-70s.  Rdfox 76 22:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, so the music in the game is a cover. Now I got it! I thought it meant an actual band covering another artist's song, in the same way Red Hot Chili Peppers covered Stevie Wonder's "Higher Ground". - Stormwatch 00:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, unless otherwise specified, all songs that you actually recognize in a Guitar Hero game are covers recorded specifically for the game. Rdfox 76 02:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Tracklist
I changed the main tracklist into two column version to eliminate some excess white space, but now the right column is slightly lower than the left column. So, could someone who knows more about this stuff please fix it? --Mika1h 19:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Moving the track list and retaining examples
Per what's been done with the Guitar Hero II article to get it up to WP:GA status and discussions from WP:CVG on songlists in rhythm games, I am proposing that we move the song list to a separate article to be in line with GHII (I'm proposing the same for 80s, and once GHIII and Rock Band's lists are fixed, the same there). However, it is suggested that some songs be mentioned in the main article to give a flavor of what songs are in the game citing references where these songs are specifically called out. As such, I'm suggesting maybe 3 to 4 songs from the main set and 1 or 2 from the extras to be included. My picks for these are : Again, note that any song we call out should be cited for its notability in a reference. --Masem 15:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Spanish Castle Magic - signature Hendrix piece
 * Bark at the Moon - noted for difficulty, excellent example of metal rock
 * I Love Rock and Roll - noted as a representative 80s bit
 * Take Me Out - noted as a modern lick
 * Get Ready 2 Rokk - Freezepop --> HMX connection
 * I'd swap out "I Love Rock and Roll" in favor of "Smoke on the Water," as an example of HMX putting a bunch of rock standards into the game--Smoke is probably the most widely covered song I know of, and it's the first song that most beginning guitarists learn to play. Also, "Bark at the Moon" would be a good representative of 80s metal, meaning that ILRaR would just repeat that, while Smoke would represent the 70s influence on the game.  Rdfox 76 16:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sick of debating, i was bold and moved the songs. I also am (as I type this) adding information to replace the song list. -- tennis man  16:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Guitar Hero in Flash
A company made a non official Guitar Hero in FlashPlayer, do you guys think it should be placed on external links? Maxtremus 22:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Most certainly not. This isn't a fansite.--Drat (Talk) 02:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Should song lists be merged to single article?
Should the GH songlists be merged to a single article? Please see discussion here. --M ASEM 20:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The main article and its talk page no longer exists. The result was to keep the song lists separate and delete List of songs in Guitar Hero games (see Articles for deletion/List of songs in Guitar Hero games). Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 06:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Wii guitar hero
I have it, already released —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.199.143 (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Article on GH development
I will get to adding bits later if someone doesn't get to it first:

from Gamasutra -- please also note the link to the extract from that article as well. --M ASEM 15:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Red Links
I found several red links in this article. If their subjects are notable, articles about them should be created, but if not, the red links should be removed. -- Shruti14 t c s 00:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur. The red links should go if there is no article to link to. -- Noj r (talk) 03:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Redlinks to content that can likely have a notable article (in this case, one band, and two companies), is not inappropriate. This was commented on in the FAC review, and such links are fine as long as its reasonable that a page can be added. --M ASEM  05:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

GH Engine
I'm suprised there's nothing in the article that touches on the fact that the GH engine for hammer-ons and pull-offs was far from what Harmonix wanted it to be. Hitting notes in GH has to be practically precise, whereas in the newer versions of the game, it was made significantly easier to pull these off. --2dFx (talk) 01:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You have a source to back that up, like an interview with a Harmonix developer or other person involved with the series? NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 02:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Does say in GH2 on one of the loading screens "Try the hammer-ons and pull-offs, they're much easier this time around." 68.114.69.237 (talk) 07:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

completely awesome
awesome featured article: it's a video game, but featured article of the day!! it's totally awesome; please can we have more computer games as featured articles Metalmouth70 (talk) 17:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)