Talk:Guitar Hero II/Archive 1

No Stairway
I think that just saying the "No Stairway" comment is a reference to WW is selling the comment itself short... after all, it was, after awhile, illegal to play the opening to StH in the majority of music shops in London... maybe it's worthwhile to mention that at least? I mean, the first question that comes to mind after seeing "it's a reference to Wayne's World" is, why was it in Wayne's World? I already know the answer, but it is a fairly vague bit of music history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.149.240 (talk • contribs).
 * I agree, the 'No stairway' joke from Waynes World was itself a reference to Stairway being banned from a large amount of music shops, so it could be a reference to the reference or to the actual event. This is the problem with trivia. Without an official statement saying 'It is a reference to THIS and not that', all trivia is inherently POV since it is an editors interpretation of what the reference is a reference to. 193.123.254.98 12:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC) The Kinslayer in disguise.
 * Whoa, I was under the impression that that was a reference to the no 'Freebird' like comment in the first game. I assumed that 'Stairway' would be the next game's last song.DrSatan 22:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That is completely unfounded though. When they made the Freebird comment was made in the first one they had no idea they were going to make a Guitar Hero II, much less have Freebird in it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DJKingpin (talk • contribs).
 * But it could still mean that. That's just what I thought anyway.DrSatan 22:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Page Streamlining (10.25.06)
I'm sure that some of the page regulars will quickly notice that it appears that a significant amount of content has been removed from the page, though that is false. I have gone through the page and implemented the unstated information that once sat awkwardly and disjointed from the brunt of the article (so basically, the "Recent News" section ha) and deleted the content that had become obvious with the completion of the song list or didn't necessarily warrant statement because of it. (Notably, the larger omitted bands - Iron Maiden, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, U2, etc...) I hope that this is read and considered before anyone makes any hasty reverts due to percieved "vandalism", I made great efforts not to delete anything without first readjusting it in the article for greater readability.

There are still a few things that I don't necessarily feel deserve warranting in their own category, yet didn't want to completely remove without gathering a consensus.


 * I don't believe that "Awards" needs to stand on its own as it does with a mere E3 award occupying the lone space. Could this be implemented into the article (possibly with the pretext?), or should it be deleted?
 * I personally think that the Awards section will expand drastically following the release of the game; perhaps this section can be expanded to "Awards / critical reception" following release, I think we should just leave it for now as this will be nominated for and win plenty of awards. 12.217.119.186 02:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Having future games on both this and Guitar Hero I seems a bit redundant to me, though I could see how one might want this one to remain. I do however believe that the toolbox Template for Guitar Hero (which now documents a completely worthless Guitar Hero III page) covers the future of this series adequately enough with the amount of information that we now know about installments beyond GHII.
 * See also? Really? I'm thinking about deleting that one right now. Especially since the "2006 computer and video games" category this article is under covers that quite well...
 * I remembered another issue - The picture of the Mini X-Plorer. Due to the manner in which I added the information regarding the Xbox 360 announcement in the article, the image now seems out of place, and I'm unsure where it should be positioned. I put it in a place where it can be out of the way yet still notable, though if anyone has any better ideas, please implement them.

I think that's about it. As usual, please direct all issues here. Charles M. Reed 02:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Bonus Track Speculation
Do you guys think there will be any major label songs in the bonus tracks? In the first Guitar Hero there was only unsigned or little known bands, correct? I remember hearing somewhere that it would be different in GHII and some major bands would appear in the bonus unlocks. 165.79.13.191 20:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, this has been confirmed by several reliable sources, and is noted in this article. The Kinslayer 20:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

http://forum.guitarherogame.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=7713

Thanks you, that is all...

Spoilers?
The Way The Songs Are Listed on Here I dont know if they should be listed as spoilers or not because its list the songs in the way in the game and if its anything like the first GH than thats kinda giving away the suprise of the whole game is it not?24.178.196.124 20:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really, since all the songs are from what we have seen in released promotional material, so unless they also count as genuine spoilers, this shouldn't. The Kinslayer 20:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

-Yes But The Promotional Material Is only from the first couple of songs not all of them i mean we should put it as spoilers just in case someone people dont want to know all the songs it wouldnt hurt.24.178.196.124 02:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This doesnt really seem like a spoiler to me, why would it be when some of the songs are going to be on the back of the box anyways? i think ur trying to argue something pretty illogical... reviews, just about everything will have the song-list all over it. If people really dont want to know the songs, they would literally have to close their eyes and purchase the game, and quickly unwrap it and live in a cave until they beat the game or see all the songs themselves by the game. Cablebfg 02:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Song Count
64 songs total, 40 licensed, according to http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=1353 68.105.109.51 20:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

John The Fisherman and YYZ
(Interestingly, the original John The Fisherman song features a version of the intro of YYZ.)

Although it was removed recently, the rationale behind the removal is incorrect. The first actual version of John The Fisherman released to the public via Suck on This dates to a 1989 release date, whereas the Frizzle Fry version was presumably recorded with the rest of the album in December of the same year; a month after Suck on This was released. The Suck on This version has the aforementioned YYZ opening. I hate to be anal about this, but this is an encyclopedia ha. I'm not sure if this is something that people would want back in the article though, as it seems a bit of a non sequitor. I suppose that doesn't really matter though...

July 2006 EGM rumor
The latest (July 2006) issue of EGM has a rumor concerning the GH dev team adding the Mega Man theme into Guitar Hero as well as other anthemic video game tunes. Is this something that should be denoted in the article at this point?

Charles M. Reed 23:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

– Probably valid since Acro-brats myspace website has a megaman theme song up and they were featured in the first game. Fragasm 18:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

- That is quite possibly the most tenuous connection I have ever seen anyone make! The Kinslayer 11:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as a "Mega Man theme," as in a theme song that's present in every Mega Man games or a theme just for Mega Man. All the games, especially the orginal Mega Man series, pretty much have their own self-contained music, apart from the early games using different arranged versions of the stage select music. Just a comment I thought I'd make. MySpace isn't working (no surprise there) so I can't see what song the Acro-Brats have posted on there. Oh well. 20:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Acro-brats did a song in Guitar Hero I. Acro-brats has already written a cover for the Megaman theme, it's currently featured on their MySpace webpage.  The rumor was that the Megaman theme would be in Guitar Hero II.  How is this a tenuous connection again?  Fragasm 23:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The link was tenuous because the logic appeared to be that because they were in the first game, and had a song on their Myspace account, the rumour was probably true. Quite a leap of logic. The Kinslayer 23:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, take into account that I assumed the first comment regarding this rumor had no knowledge of an Acro-brats Megaman cover, is it still tenuous? Fragasm 23:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. The Kinslayer 08:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for deletion
I put the prod tag on top of this article. Of course this game is in production and will come out eventually; however, at the moment I don't think there's enough information to warrant its own aritlce. Any information about it can just be inserted into the Guitar Hero article. Once the Guitar Hero II section becomes too big there then I believe it should be split off into its own article. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * So we are going to delete it just to add it again? Games we've never heard of warrents its own page but not this? - McDonaldsGuy 21:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know what else to say that isn't already said above. What information can go in this article that can't already go in a sub-section of Guitar Hero?  Right now it's practically a duplication of what's in the main article.  About the "games we've never heard of", you might need to be a little more specific, but usually announced sequels with little information available get merged into the main series article until there's enough information for it to stand alone. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems likely that more information will be contributed at E3, and since that convention is about two weeks away, it seems like a case of deleting this page for the sake of adding it again. -- Jryder 21:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Jryder, this article has no cause for deletion however, it is small. Even though E3 is not here yet, there is still alot of information to be added.  Unfortunately, I don't have much of a way with words.  But I found alot of great information on IGN: http://ps2.ign.com/objects/823/823033.html#news BenvolioZF
 * There was an announcement just recently that Red Octane would hold a contest for bands to get their songs into Guitar Hero II, similar to GH and Graveyard BBQ. Would that be worth adding to the page? Also, I saw a post on a forum where a guy recieved an e-mail with this little bit of E3 info.
 * "The top-secret sequel song list remains firmly in the rock domain, with more than 55 songs being featured in the next installment. Confirmed for E3 are seven playable tracks including: "Psychobilly Freakout," "Strutter," "Who Was in My Room Last Night," "You Really Got Me," "War Pigs," "YYZ" and "Arterial Black." Also confirmed are in-game appearances by returning guitar hero Judy Nails and the new Rockabilly guitarist." --- Omex 19:10 May 2006 (UTC)

Guitar
Anyone know anywhere if the game will be sold by it self, with the guitar, with a new guitar, etc. I think that's incredibly important and I'm really hoping I don't have to buy another guitar just to get the new game. H2P 06:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, according to Gamestop you can pre-order the "game only" version, so I think its safe to say it will be release bundled and unbundled. From what I've read unofficially, the guitar controller was expensive for Red Octane to produce, and to ship, so it makes business sense, as GH1 owners will be a big part of their customer base. ---Jackel 23:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Master Tracks
It says that all songs OTHER THAN John The Fisherman will be using master tracks. Isn't it the other way around? Aren't they just having John The Fisherman as a master?
 * No, they only confirmed John The Fisherman as an original track. John Tam stated "I'm really glad that we got more original tracks than just the Primus song." Traq 23:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I updated the related post. I also removed your addition of the Gameplay section. The information regarding three button chords was already mentioned in the first paragraph of the Confirmed Information section. Traq 00:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops. Didn't see it. Must have completely brushed past it. Sorry!

I thought having to press green and orange at the same time was cool. Too bad about that change.

-- Maybe for you. Not so much for people with small hands - I don't just mean younger players, I mean people like, say, short small-framed adult women, who do in fact play these games.

Green-Orange Chords in GHII

 * OPM editor Joe Rybicki's October 17th 1UP.com blog entry provides proof that the Green-Orange combination is going to be in the finished product via a co-op video of The Foo Fighters' "Monkey Wrench" (played on Expert mode, of course). Quite honestly, I hadn't really noticed that they were in the first game and I've played that one extensively. Ah well. As such, I've taken the line out of the article.Charles M. Reed 04:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You hadn't noticed them because they weren't in the first game. I don't know where information saying they were showed up. :\ GammaShade 21:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Likely that original source that claimed they wouldn't be in Guitar Hero II to begin with ha. I knew I wasn't crazy ha. Charles M. Reed 04:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Preorder
Is there a specific place you have to preorder it to get the Cherry SG? - Sam 00:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

It's likely the game bundle w/ guitar will ship with the Cherry SG. Jryder 04:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Preorders getting the game on Oct 31. I'm not sure how it would be cited, but when I preordered the game at GameStop, I was told that I could come in to pick it up on 10/31. If this is true for other people, I'd say it's definitely confirmed information, but again, the issue would be citing it. GammaShade 15:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Finding the information on a website would be the best option. I think people just saying 'My local shop says so.' would be too close to Original Research. The Kinslayer 15:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, all right, then. Thanks for clearing that up -- and if I may say, great work on this page so far, good sir. GammaShade 16:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't take any credit, I started helping quite late on, I mostly make sure statements are tagged for a source and watch for vandalism. The Kinslayer 17:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed the comment because it wasn't cited and because acting like "My shop said" and "but MY shop said" would be beyond unverifiable information. Until it can be cited to a reputable source, perhaps we can have it on the Rumors section, but putting it in the Confirmed information section leads people to actually believe it is indeed true. Cablebfg 17:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, I kind of figured as much after a while, and after what The Kinslayer said, but thanks for explaining it. GammaShade 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

"Slash" = Izzy Sparks
Thanks to the new preview trailer at Best Buy's website for Guitar Hero II, we can all rest easy knowing that indeed, the Slash lookalike seen in the Sweet Child O' Mine video is none other than Izzy Sparks with a new look. Izzy is seen without his hat in the characters preview of the trailer, but a look at his icon on the select a character screen shows Izzy wearing the aforementioned Slash-like hat. Jryder 04:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced rumors

 * In an issue of OPM (Official Playstation Magazine) RedOctane commented, "Don't be suprised to find some Tenacious D in the game."


 * In the new issue of OPM (Official Playstation Magazine), it mentions "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against the Machine as one of the songs in the game. It is yet to be confirmed by RedOctane.


 * Survival mode, the features of which have not been confirmed yet but have been rumored to either involve playing as long as possible without missing a note or failing a song.
 * Handicapped versus mode, allowing one player to drop to a lower difficulty in order to level the playing field, the actual play likely being similar to co-op mode. < This rumor has been confirmed I think I saw it in an IGN video.


 * The rumors above have been removed from the article until specific references can be provided. Rather than say "In the latest issue of..." any given magazine, please WP:CITE the actual issue and page number(s) for these comments.  Thanks, Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 16:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed the following rumour:

Due to the comments in the latest issue of EGM regarding the final song having 11 solos, speculation has grown that the song is "Hangar 18" by Megadeth.[citation needed]

Because without a source, it could solely be what the author believes the song to be and no-one else. I could put one up saying the song is rumored to be 'Sign of the Cross' by Iron Maiden, but without any sources it wouldn't mean anything. (I know that song doesn't have 11 solos, I'm just making a point!) The Kinslayer 10:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The Aerosmith rumor has been removed from this uncited list since it is obviously not a rumor any longer. In addition, I have added Survival and Handicapped versus mode descriptions to this list, as the only source I can find for them is the Official Guitar Hero Game Forums, which does not, in itself, cite its source. Traditional mode is unsourced as well, but I believe a little more digging will bring that to the surface. Jryder 03:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Song Citations
Is that a particular reason that each song has been individually cited, to the point of redunancy in some cases, rather than offering one convenient link (like say, this one) that offers a list of them?


 * I don't know the reason why, but I did take off every single reference, save for the end. It cleaned up the article a bit. Zaver 07:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * On the subject of included songs, it would seem that Every Time I Die's "The New Black" shouldn't be on the confirmed list. Despite being stated by the band's frontman earlier this summer, RedOctane has yet to insinuate that the song has even been considered for inclusion. Digging even deeper (thanks to a comment over at Joystiq), I discovered a Kotaku story about this very topic in which an "insider at Harmonix" basically nixes the idea completely. Found here

I'm going to at least remove the song from the "Confirmed Songs" list at the present, and if someone can cite a list that actually includes this song or some information from a reputable source, than please add it back.Charles M. Reed 08:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll put this here since it relates to the song list. Can whoever keeps removing the 'Original version' tag next to John The Fisherman please stop doing it? The comment is there to highlight the fact that this song is not an in-studio cover of the track. I also feel that the tag should be added to other songs as the information is revealed (as long as it can be cited!) The Kinslayer 13:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, the ongoing Confirmed Song saga! I've found another reputable source that states that Monkey Wrench, Killing In The Name Of and Surrender are all confirmed songs. http://darkzero.co.uk/v4/games/news/10812/ps2-guitar-hero-ii-tracklist-expands-to-29 I'm go to be bold and add them to the list along with a citation. The Kinslayer 17:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

So all songs on the current list have valid citations, most of which reinforce citations of other songs, so please don't remove them unless you have a good reason. Please revert to the current page in the event of any being removed. Thanks. The Kinslayer 22:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm adding YYZ by Rush from unconfirmed to confirmed. The page on wikipedia states this song is confirmed to be on the game, and in the demo disc from the latest Official Playstation Magazine (OPM) has a demo for GHII that includes the song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.154.119.141 (talk • contribs)
 * Heh, I thought it already was on the list! The Kinslayer 20:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

In the Guitar Hero page, the songs are cited "Song - Band", but here they are "Band - Song". All of them here should be changed to match what is already done with Guitar Hero, as the name of the song is what people use to identify the songs in the game anyways.

Just want to alert you all to this: www.blog.myspace.com/dethklok This game is now a must own for me (Although I do wish it would have been Duncan Hills Coffee or Birthday Dethday,or even the opening song from Skwisklok.Ah well,Thunderhorse is still an amazing,insane song.).

Uncited Confirmed Information
There seems to be a lot of 'confirmed' information that is uncited. Specifically, the game modes, as well as stuff like the three button chords. Can anyone get the sources for them? I would, but I only have net access in work, and Wiki is the only site I can access through the net filter! The Kinslayer 11:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The promotional video that RedOctane released for Trippin' On A Hole In A Paper Heart shows the three button chords in play during the song's opening. Dandon TRJ 18:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Venues?
What happened to the list of the venues? The Kinslayer 08:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No clue. It just kinda disappeared. Personally I think the section was useful and appropriate. Should we re-add it? Valdiir


 * No objections here. Since no-one on the talk page has mentioned anything about removing it, I guess we can safely say it was vandalism. I'll hunt through the old versions now and do a copy-paste. The Kinslayer 08:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I just went through and cleaned it out. I don't see a need to have explanations of why people believe certain venues to be in the game, when a simple in-line citation will work just fine. EvilCouch 10:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of adding a description of the stage show during the encore for each venue (i.e. disco ball at the Rock City Theatre; UFO disintigrating light scafolding and beaming up player at Stonehenge; etc.) Would that be overkill? Hoof Hearted 04:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Protection Request
People keep adding unconfirmed songs to get the fans of the band up and it's starting to get annoying... Please protect this page so this can't happen.

12.182.43.173 23:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There's no real need. It's easy enough to deal with. No citation = deletion. Hardly worth making a fuss over. I monitor it nearly 7.5 hours a day in work as it is! (Beats actually doing the work! :) )The Kinslayer 08:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * My bad, we DO need this page protecting, some people are constantly adding unconfirmed songs to the list today. The Kinslayer 14:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Artists Not in the Game
Does anyone think we should list the artists who have been confirmed not being in Guitar Hero 2? There are two charts in the EGM issue mentioned in this article listing several artists not in the game. Part of this is already in the article, but should we give the rest its own section? Valdiir
 * I think that would be a bad idea. We have enough trouble with people adding random artists to the confirmed list. With this, people are just gonna add any old crap and be technicly right. It's an invitation to spamdalise. The Kinslayer 08:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Tool? (External links)
According to MTV, Tool have also been in negotiations with RedOctane to be in Guitar Hero II. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1531583/20060511/tool.jhtml This link does not quote anything of the sort, nor is it anywhere in MTV's news archive. Google's cache only has this phrase pointing to the link (from wikipedia), archive.org has no cache of the news post either. I believe this should come out of External Links and Rumours etc unless someone can provide a current link. Daggoth S 01:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

From the article in question (second-to-last paragraph):

"Now that the long wait's over for Tool fans thirsting for new material, it begs a very obvious question: Will Tool force those same loyal fans to wait another five years before there's another new LP? Sure, they're working on a live DVD and are in talks to be featured in the forthcoming "Guitar Hero 2" video game, but what about another studio effort?"

The article does indeed support the claim, but it still remains incidental at best. Of course, that has nothing to do with whether or not it should be removed for we have no way of gauging how accurate it will ultimately prove. Charles M. Reed

Sweet! Citable proof that I'm blind. Thanks :( Daggoth S 02:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Assuming Good Faith
I've removed the CVU templates Kinslayer added. While he is a member of the CVU, so it's technically correct, I don't think it's a good idea to make the implication that people adding not-very-confirmed songs to the confirmed songs list is 'vandalism'. (See Vandalism) It seems to be just an honest mistake, so let's not make people angry about this.

I've added a comment to the confirmed songs list, so hopefully that will make things better. It would also be helpful to have a clearer criteria for what a 'confirmed' song is, to clear up some potential confusion.--Fangz 13:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'd just like to explain that the CVU tags were added because the same people over the last week have been adding songs to the list despite comments being left that the songs need to be citable as officially confirmed by harmonix or Red Octane. I had assumed good faith for the most part of the week, but how many times should the same person add the same removed and uncited song before it's classed as vandalism? And I guarantee the Fangz comment will be ignored by the same people who have been ignoring all the other comments and re-adding the same songs constantly for the last week. An honest mistake would have been left alone the first, second or third (at most) time the song was removed, but by adding it repeatedly, you are doing nothing more than being a nuisance. The Kinslayer 14:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In point of fact, it's just happened right now. The Kinslayer 14:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Audio/Video Information
I am wondering if we can add a Audio/Video section or whether we should add it to the Confirmed Information section, or perhaps Recent News... http://forum.guitarherogame.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=2341

according to Johm Tam himself, GHII (PS2) will support Progressive Scan, Dolby Pro-Logic II and Widescreen... this is significant because

A) This means that there will no longer be a delay when using 480p (or higher resolutions) on a HDTV (DLPs especially).. B) Instead of just simply having a Stereo option, Dolby Prologic II allows us to use a surround sound speaker set-up effectively. C) Widescreen means that you wont be limited to a square screen or having to stretch the video for use with a Widescreen TV...

So, what should we do? Cablebfg 17:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 480p and 16:9 is great... but that pales in comparison to the support for surround sound. Giggidy. Not sure yet how to add this to the article either.. it's really a mess right now. I say we wait until the game is released, there's no more rumors and crap to worry about, and we can make edit it to be more like a normal article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Underthefade (talk • contribs)
 * I think this is the best idea. Too much editing happens at the moment. Wait till the release and things settle down. The Kinslayer 21:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Cherry Pie (not in yet)
i edited the "not in yet" part out yesterday, and now it's back up. this is obviously a developer's message, and not part of the title of the song. i'm going to edit it out again. 10:53, 6 october 2006 (UTC)


 * its not part of the song name, but, it is important to note this as it was a developer's note... ill concede for now, but please dont just remove it without giving a reason... Cablebfg 15:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

OPM #110/Demo 10/10/06 "Street Date" Broken
At least at Border's at CambridgeSide Mall in Cambridge, MA ...because i have it in my hot little hands.


 * Its not just u, tons of people are getting them daily, you just have to find the right place... Cablebfg 20:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Does anyone know when the UK gets a GH2 demo? I just checkd my local shops snd the November issue of OPM doesn't have the demo, and the net isn't giving me any help! The Kinslayer 14:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

King Kendall?
I just noticed the Rockabilly characters name is back to King Kendall! Last I knew it had been changed to a different name by Harmonix. Does anyone have any more information about this? The Kinslayer 10:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The latest builds out there has his name as Eddie Knox (like the GameSpot preview), but since the demo (which I suspect is actually from a pre-E3 build) has his old name on it, you're gonna get a lot of people coming ind and saying "Wait, that's not right, my demo says Kendall. I'll just fix this...". David Thrax 19:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If we properly cite it, and STILL people edit it to their liking, then we will just have revert it to its CURRENTLY correct form... Cablebfg 19:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I Think we'll have to accept that we're gonna be fixing this until the games released. The Kinslayer 20:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * King Kendall is the nickname for one of the artists at Harmonix. He did the guitar modelling in the first game, voiced the tutorial and sang the title track as a member of Monkey Steals the Peach.  He was also the lead singer of the punk-influenced rockabilly band The Amazing Royal Crowns which would likely make him the basis for the rockabilly character in the game prior to settling on a name for the final build.Choice77 02:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting yet irelevantm as the confirmed name in the final song is Eddie Knox. The Kinslayer 20:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Characters
Does anyone think we should add a characters section? Since the original eight have been confirmed, and there are minamally 3 new guitarists that we know of, should they get their own section, instead of a brief mention in the first part? Valdiir
 * We dont know NEARLY enough about any of the characters to justify a character section, especially the characters that HAVENT been confirmed of yet (King Kendall and TJ Laws names keep fluctuating)... dont look for things to do just to do them, we can wait. Cablebfg 02:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think the girl's name is Casie Lynch now 65.35.223.108 05:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I could find out too. I'd advise waiting until the games released so that we have concrete evidence for including the information. The Kinslayer 11:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Official songlist is out
The 40 songs and their positions in the list were released the other day, but this page still has the old list. Could someone who's registered and with better wiki skills than I update with the official song list? Thanks.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/737/737921p1.html


 * This page has had the song list up since early yesterday. Thanks for another source though! The Kinslayer 08:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I put the songlist up sometime yesterday, almost as soon as it was revealed on IGN. Currently however, there seems to be some dispute over the tracklists as Gamespot and IGN have conflicting set-lists. Cablebfg 19:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You sure? I just cross-checked them and they match exactly? The Kinslayer 21:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're all simpatico. With the exception of 1up.com's original omission of Wolfmother, I can't recall a problem with the reports of the final setlist at all. (Well, except for "The Sword" being listed as "Sword" everywhere... A minor personal gripe though ha.)Charles M. Reed 21:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Its not the actual songs that dont match, its the order of them in their designated set-lists.Cablebfg 22:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ugh, pedantry. We won't know for sure until the games released. So I guess we'll have to settle in for some minor edit warring, until the game is out and settles things. The Kinslayer 22:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Australian Release Date For GHII-
The official Australian Release date is the 19th of November 2006. I read it in the OPS2 mag and also did some hunting. Can't wait for Freebird! Oooo, I'm getting arthritic just thinking aboout it!
 * Man, even the Aussies get it before us Brits! The Kinslayer 21:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PALGN is reporting the 15th of November. Not sure what their source is but in the past they've been pretty accurate. (although some dates DO get pushed out from week to week ...) Daggoth S 01:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Would anyone mind if I added the AU release date to the infobox?
 * |released = 🇺🇸 November 7, 2006 (PS2)  🇦🇺 November 15, 2006 (PS2)    November 30, 2006 (PS2) 🇺🇸 2007 (Xbox 360)
 * I'd add it myself but I've never edited an infobox before and preview looks a bit clunky with the cited link. (do we really need a cited link since the other dates aren't cited?) Daggoth S 01:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

* Dethklok - "Thunderhorse" in GHII?
Can anyone varify this? Someone just added it to the bonus song listing, and I didn't wanta nix it without due reason. Moterola 21:56, 23 October 2006
 * I say we should take it out until whoever posted the information puts a link to said text on the official site saying that the song is in the game. On another note, Vovoid should be taken out until that's been confirmed too, and not just rumors or speculated news. MB 02:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and found the thing that said that they were going to be in the game. I put it in rumors and unconfirmed information though. I also took out the listing of the two songs until they are confirmed. MB 02:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just checked it myself, and it's there. I'll leave it in Unconfirmed, until RO actually conforms it. Moterola 22:25 23 October 2006
 * Yeah, self-confirmed on my space is not the same as officially confirmed by the developers. The Kinslayer 08:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * First off, allow me to say that I was watching the last episode of Metalocalypse and thought to myself, "Man, it would be awesome if these guys were in Guitar Hero." Now, as far as confirmation: as if the screenshot wasn't enough, the MySpace of Anarchy Club (who has songs in GH and GH II, and serious ties to Harmonix) also confirmed the Dethklok and Strongbad songs. -- Kicking222 17:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Bonus Track Leaked
I dunno how to add on to Wiki properly, or whatnot, however, this is worth looking at.

http://forum.guitarherogame.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=7713

This is supposedly the bonus track list in it's entirety.


 * That's enough proof for me, I'm removing a few of the items in Rumors and unconfirmed information that relates to those songs. Moterola 22:45 24 October 2006

Removal of Rumors/Unconfirmed
Quite honestly, removing that section in its entirety would help alievate the process of transforming this article from one concerning a future occurance and an occurance that has already passed. Considering each of the remaining rumors have either been proven true or, at the least, proven to have to basis or merit, I can't legitimately think of why it should remain in the article. Therefore, I'm going to remove it. If anyone has any objections, feel free to voice them and/or revert my changes I suppose. Charles M. Reed 02:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Trogdor theme song?
I came across this picture http://www.photodump.com/direct/bjeaves/DSC00053.jpg, supposedly taken at a walmart (evidenced by the "low prices" sign with the smiley face in the TV's reflection), but can it be trusted? It seems to be real, or an extremely good fake.Cheezymadman 05:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * See above, http://forum.guitarherogame.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=7713. I know this isn't really the place for it, but OMGWTF! The original song which this'll be based on is here.Daggoth S 08:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's the version from the Strong Bad Sings CD, with the Squeedly vs. Meedly solo. Cheezymadman 20:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Removing tidbits of the "recent news" sections
I recently (As in today) removed a few items in the recent news sections that related to the final build of the game. I.E, GameSpot confirming "Sweet Child O' Mine" and "Free Bird", Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Quiet Riot, and U2 not being in the game, and a few others. But it was reverted, and I'd like to question as to why it was. The final build is out, therefore some of the "recent news" no longer needs to be there, and is just taking up space. And the majority of it isn't that "Recent" at all. Should it be removed again? Moterola 22:56 25 October 2006

In short, yes. Again, this is an effort to bridge the gap between the article in its current incarnation (documenting an unfolding event) and the article that it should become. It should be expected that more of these will be removed in the final two weeks and eventually the section itself will obviously be removed.

Any objections can be handled here of course, and it is certainly a good idea to discuss contentious changes to the page here before doing them - otherwise, it is often viewed (justly or unjustly) as vandalism.Charles M. Reed 04:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll make sure to do that in the future, I'm more of a lurker.Moterola 22:30 October 2006

New information about Guitar Hero Controllers
Apperently they're retailing wireless controller at the price of 59.99. Source: http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/10/27/guitar-hero-official-wireless-controllers-announced-for-november-7.htm I'm not quite sure if it's "Up to par" as far as how valid it is. So, I'll leave it up to you good folks to judge it. Moterola 22:48 October 27 2006
 * Ur a bit late, i already added information and provided 2 reliable sources. RO even has a product page up now.Cablebfg 19:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I have the U.S. Playstation Magazine Demo disc in my hands.
The four demo songs are playable in "quickplay" in all difficulty levels. Despite what the article says, co-op mode is NOT available on my demo disc.

songs are: "Shout at the Devil" - Motley crue "You Really Got Me" - Van Halen "Strutter" - KISS "YYZ" - Rush


 * Co-Op mode is available, but you must have 2 SG controllers plugged in to see the option. I have the same demo disc.  - NickSentowski 16:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just to confirm what NickSentowski said above, the demo disc does allow for cooperative play. You need to have two controllers plugged in to enable it.  Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 00:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * (SMACKS FOREHEAD) Plug in the 2nd controller -- of course. I'm an idiot.  I've now noticed another discrepancy,  the character list in the article lists "Eddie Knox".  The character on the demo disc is named "King Kendell" (sp?).  FYI, the other playable character is Judy Nails.


 * "King Kendall" is the circa-E3 name, since the demo disc is a circa-E3 build. GammaShade 01:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC) [lulz, i am awesome at wikicode guys. D:]

E string / A string
Sorry about that. I didn't know the A string thing was directly from the site. It doesn't make any sense, but *shrugs* - JNighthawk 22:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't believe I've ever broken an A string (considering how thick they are, that seems easier said than done), but then again, I only tend to have problems with the G string ha. But I suppose RedOctane's guitars rock way more than either of ours, so they probably do go through several A strings an hour. Charles M. Reed 22:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Haha, that's really stupid of them to say. Maybe they have special high A strings. DrSatan 02:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It says E within the game. --Deadman1848 09:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Good to know. DrSatan 21:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Rhythm/Bass
What's this whole rhythm/bass thing for co-op mode? It doesn't make sense reading it, to me. - JNighthawk 16:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoever put up that list of the Bass or Rhythm as the co-op next to the songs, needs to properly cite it somehow, and i'm not entirely sure the way it is implemented in the page makes sense. I'm not too sure about how accurate this list is based off the simple fact that Mother is listed as a rhthym guitar co-op, but Danzig does not have a rhythm guitarist.Weedwacker 16:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, since it's unsourced and its accuracy is suspect, I've removed it for now. GammaShade 00:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I get it now. It's what the second player plays in co-op mode during 2 player. The second play either plays rhythm or bass. It probably still shouldn't be included in the article, though. - JNighthawk 19:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

It should probably be put into a table. It might work to just make the song list section a table with a column stating whether it has a rhythm or bass part in co-op. JoeBoxer522 21:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Outdated Information
Since the game has been released, should we remove some of the information that is no longer relevant? (e.g., the sentence about more in-game liscened products expected) Valdiir 23:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Character descriptions
Do we need the descriptions? Besides being possibly copyvio, they are not written in an encyclopedic manner.--Drat (Talk) 09:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As no one has commented otherwise I am removing the descriptions for the above reasons.--Drat (Talk) 07:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

European release
San we double check that, it's just that I picked up my copy of the game yesterday and i'm in Spain, which would normally count as europe, which the article claims won't be out until next week. Of course i realise that many shops don't give a monkey's about release dates, but there we are--Shadebug 19:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should check to see if we can find out if other countries had it on the same day. I fmost of them did, then I think it should be changed, but if it was just (for example) Spain, and the rest of the countries had it released next week, then it should stay. The Kinslayer 16:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)