Talk:Guitar showmanship/Archive 1

Another question
Perhaps Kim Thayil blowing on his strings (in "slaves and bulldozers") could be added along with steve vai playing with his toungue. I don't see why that was removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.86.40.171 (talk) 06:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Question
Why have people removed a great number of the moves that were up there? The Whirlygig and the guitar throw being two notable examples Wfco
 * Among the things that Wikipedia is not is a database of stage moves in which every guitarist who has ever seen or thinks he has seen something done somewhere adds his two cents. Reliable sources are essential to making a quality encyclopedia. Unreferenced material will be shot on sight. Deltabeignet (talk) 08:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Possible Advertising for the Amp Hump
The amp hump was most famously used by Jimi Hendrix during the Monterey Pop Festival. I don't see why he isn't mentioned while some relatively minor band is (especially if Jimi Hendrix predated this usage by a considerable amount).Secretwanderer 23:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't the amp hump also done by Kurt Cobain in their 1992 MTV Video awards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.25.8.1 (talk) 06:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Appreciation
Thanks, I was amazed it didnt' exist already. I'm glad the response to this article has been quite good. I'm trying to find more references before I add more moves, it's just a difficult thing to reference because everyone knows they exist but it's not the kind of thing that's usually readily documented. I think I have a Total Guitar with some references in, so I may scan that at some point. I'll bear in mind your suggestions

Improvement ideas
Thanks for a great article ;)

Some more thoughts:


 * What about doing some categorization of moves? For example, by extremity, danger level, destruction caused and how hard is it to perform - from very mild to most extreme?
 * It really needs adding some references. I've started to do some...
 * It needs more "typical", usual guitar moves, "very mild" level, not really required for playing, but employed to show off by lots of guitarist around. For example, classic trick is pulling one leg onto the monitor speaker, resting the guitar on that leg and playing solo. Or just rushing the whole body upwards and downwards while playing chords (a very simple version of windmill) - these stuff also needs to be listed?

--GreyCat 22:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems that the major problem with this article has been the difficulty in citing sources. Those writing the article cant find sources, and those who want it gone use this as a reason to delete things. Can simple pictures or videos be used? For something like this that seems like the only real possibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.205.47 (talk) 03:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

More moves
Some info here:

http://www.airguitaraustralia.com/moves.htm

--GreyCat 22:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Verification
unverified text needs to be removed from this article or sourced if it survives AfD.--Isotope23 19:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Unless it's really in dispute, it doesn't necessarly need to be removed, just flagged as uncited (e.g. ) --Rehcsif 19:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC) I'll let it stand as uncited/tagged for a few weeks while people try to find sources, but it if doesn't get reliably verified then it should be removed.--Isotope23 23:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I consider it the author's responsibility to add sources; any removed content is in the history, anyway. Deltabeignet 01:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly... it could always be retrieved from history and added back to the article if someone finds sourcing.--Isotope23 12:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Question II
I first visited this article last summer. It had difficulty levels, more tricks, references to more guitar players, more pictures. It was much better and more informative. Why has so much been removed? I appreciate people's work on cleaning up grammar mistakes, formatting, etc. But why cut out certain moves because one person has decided it doesn't really qualify as a move.

Obviously, guitar moves aren't a science or a discipline. This is a "fun" page, and a good example of the kinds of things wikipedians can create as a community. The Sniper and The Machinegun are two great moves that I learned of from this page last year, and now use in my band every time we play. And I know Ace Frehley's tongue waggle thing isn't restricted to guitar (you could do a tongue waggle whilst making a smoothie or tying your shoes), but it's a good example of the kinds of stage antics that have made the guitar such an interesting part of western culture and music history.

I think it's sad that the Guitar Moves page has lost so much content. I encourage those editing this page to consider reviving the old content to make this a richer, more informative page.

Thanks for the hard work - justin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.229.115.159 (talk) 09:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC).


 * I agree. That this page exists is somewhat comical, but it's just plain ridiculous that un-referenced information is being removed. I mean, it's an article about stage antics. If you pick up a guitar, go on stage, and do something, then it's a guitar move. Anyway the way it is now (Incomplete with a capital I) the article is probably better off deleted than existing; it just doesn't offer a complete picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.9.205.47 (talk) 03:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure that anyone claimed that simply walking onstage constitutes a "guitar move," but it doesn't seem a stretch to say that there are various body movements that one associates with live guitar performance that would not ordinarily be seen in other styles or genres. When violinists in the Cleveland Orchestra start lighting their instruments on fire, and when students at Julliard practice rubbing their crotches with their clarinets, then it might be possible to dismiss the interest that some have in guitar moves. Until then, why not allow that the study or classification of the more prominent moves (smashing your instrument would be near the top of that list) has a legit part in understanding the most popular of all musical instruments? In a world where there are major competitions for "air guitar," it seems reasonable that people would want to discuss the moves that guitarists (air and otherwise) use. That said, there are a number of places that could provide the citations or references for such a discussion. For instance, in the book, Instruments of Desire there is a great deal of information about some of the moves, such as playing behind the head, playing with teeth (neither of which was invented by Hendrix or SRV), and their historical development. I'm not recommending that book in particular; it's not that great. But it's an example of how the notion of guitar moves is not treated as comical or trivial by scholars and musicians. C d h (talk) 00:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is an encyclopedia--fun is not the idea. There are plenty of places on the Internet where unreferenced material can be heaped into a pile, where users can make comical databases based on nothing but their own experience, but this is not one of them. (The pictures, on the other hand, were probably removed for copyright reasons.) Deltabeignet (talk) 08:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Aggressive deletion
Given this article's tendency to fill up with personal experience and unsourced material, I have deleted essentially everything without a source, and will continue to do so. Deltabeignet 05:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Trying to maintain the cleaned up version of this page is hard with clueless cluebot roaming around. All editors must be wary of the trolls who keep putting all the uncited foolishness back onto this already weak page. 142.167.93.132 19:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This page has a stupid name too. --Savre 01:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * everything about this page is stupid. it's for guitar hero players. the amp hump lol

I added a source to the guitar throw - where it said that it was made known by the band Cinderella - it was an interview with their lead singer. That was deleted anyway, despite autchencity. All hail the fair deletions and censorship, Who Do You Think You Are - and do you think you're helping anybody anyway?

Inititally, i thought the page lost lots of info but now even i think that it was right to delete all unsourced nonsense.Leif edling (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

setting guitar on fire can cause death
if the fire engulfs you for an extended amount of time, you will die from fire damage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 21:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds doubtful. Can we have a verified source for that piece of information, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.84.122.87 (talk) 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Michael Angelo Batio's "Over-Under" Technique
Never have edited anything on wikipedia, so I would rather not try to fool with the article. I noticed that Michael Angelo Batio's "Over-Under Technique" was not included, something he originally came up with(been doing it for 20ish years. Another guitarist that uses it is the guy who plays for Disturbed, from the song "Inside the Fire".

Here is a couple of videos of him using it playing his signature song, "No Boundaries", including a live performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG74eVb6V10 - Official Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Bmtq-aiY4 - Live Performance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6GzGt33lA - Interview with him making a mention about the OUT

We could also get into the double and quad guitar moves he does, but I don't know if that would really count since they are unique to those instruments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.242.109 (talk) 03:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Playing behind the head
Furry Lewis is said to have played the guitar behind his head during performances as part of a traveling medicine show in the twenties, according to pandora.com. Does anyone know if this can be verified? http://www.pandora.com/music/artist/furry+lewis second paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejlglowsticks (talk • contribs) 06:20, 22 October 2009 (UTC)