Talk:Guitaret

Use of English
The article is written is somewhat poor English. In particular, the section 'Origins and playing' is markedly difficult to read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.51.20 (talk) 22:21, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Information removal
The information added to this page was removed for no reason. I inserted the requisite "hold off" request, which was subsequently ignored by the person who edited it

The information that was removed was where the notes are on the instrument (standard for articles on instruments) how to hold the instrument (also standard for articles on instruments) performers (also standard for articles on instruments), performance (again, standard for articles on instruments) and recordings (also standard for articles on instruments).

Attempts to discuss with MisterWiki have not replied to regarding this. I am assuming one person making this wholesale removal of material is non-binding, I am uncertain how to go about putting the material back in.

OK I have now added back some of the material in shorter form, and shall wait for some kind of communication from the individual who deleted it without discussion. DiarmuidPigott (talk) 08:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a manual and a collection of unfree images. Please read WP:NONFREE. You can't use that images like how to hold a manual. Use Wikibooks, not Wikipedia. -- MisterWiki  talk   contribs  13:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I've restored the article. DiarmuidPigott, please add references to support the information on the page. MisterWiki, if you have concerns about the images, please raise on the image page instead of simply removing from article. Gerardw (talk) 16:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Guitaret
Hi, I saw the great work you did in Guitaret, however, in Wikipedia we can't host manuals of any type. Wikibooks exists for that purpose. Also, be careful uploading copyrighted images. You uploaded images extracted from a manual from 1963 and you tagged them as public domain. That's not public domain. Images from 1939 or earlier, are public domain. Also, my actions are not unjustified, I left you an answer in Talk:Guitaret, so please don't do unjustified things after you check them. Cheers, MisterWiki   talk   contribs  16:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

What you are saying is incorrect: I tagged the images I made myself as public domain, they were mine and I could do that. These were the images that showed the layout of the chords. The other images I tagged as creative commons and the images from the manual from 1963 as non-free explicitly, and gave extensive rationale for using them.

The content that you removed is not book material, it is encyclopedic in nature, and I followed the example currently presented by other instruments. Information about the layout of the instrument is fundamental to understanding what it is.

I don't think you know what you are doing - your first edit stated that the instrument was a hoax, you changed you comments on it over and over again. You also did it without discussing it first, which is a terrible breach of etiquette. This is why I drew attention to your editing on the correct forum. A third party changed it back (GerardW) and suggested that you were acting inappropriately in your editing - and now you have gone and changed it again subsequently. DiarmuidPigott (talk) 06:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

If you want to explain how does it works, please, Wikipedia is not a gallery of photos. Please explain them with text. We don't want unnecessary non-free images, like the man playing guitaret. The photo that I added was not Creative Commons, but the copyright holder allowed use for any purpose, but attributing him, thing that you weren't doing. That photo currently is well tagged, and the other images can't be put again on the article. Please understand. Articles for instruments always uses free images, not un-free images. Thanks. Happy New Year. -- MisterWiki  talk   contribs  02:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're going to make an assertion about a policy you should link to it. Non-free content is allowed: WP:NFC Gerardw (talk) 04:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry, but a photograph of someone playing an instrument is useful if it shows how it is done properly. As I explained in the metadata, every picture or clip I have found of people playing it currently shows it being played in an unorthodox manner. Wholesale removal of material is unwarranted without prior discussion.

The material removed showing sample music and the key layout is also not replaceable with text, and not material for a book. And I made two of the three images.

DiarmuidPigott (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2010 (UTC)