Talk:Gujjars (Pakistan)

Please Discuss before you delete

 * Sitush :Ist November I added a book A short history of the Gujjars (past and present ) by Rana Ali Hasan Chauhan ,Published by  Begum Akbar Jahan Foundation (gdct) Jammu Tawi .Gurjar Desh Charitable Trust. Very next day 2nd Nov  you delete it . In the edit summary you comment :Reverted good faith edits by Intothefire (talk): Is this reliable? I doubt it.And what is the basis for your doubt ? The book is published by an educational institution that has published several books.Its grossly uncivil to keep deleting another editors contributions .Stop deleting my edits .Intothefire (talk) 02:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)her


 * And yet another deletion of my edit by Sitush without discussion including from the Further reading section :The history of the Gurjara-Pratihāra, Baij Nath Puri published by Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers, 1986.Intothefire (talk) 02:41, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It was not necessary to discuss. You were bold in inserting it, I reverted with a rationale in the edit summary. Now we should discuss, alhough I accept that it should not always be necessary for us to jump through these procedural hoops. In this instance, feel free to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the GPs relate to the Pakistnai Gurjars/Gujjars or to suggest a means of inserting the information while acknowledging that the issue is contested, - Sitush (talk) 02:50, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Some Descent Sources on Pakistani Gujjars
I note that the article requires some descent sources, and I would suggest looking at the following books, especially the first one by Stephen Lyons of Durham University, who studied a Gujjar dominated village in North Punjab. The second deals with the Gujjar community in the Hazara region of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, including the largely nomadic element in the Kaghan valley, and the third book is a study of a village in Faisalabad, which makes reference to the Gujjar cultivators. While the final publication includes an article by Frederick Barth on the Swat valley, which gives some ethnographic information on the Gujjars there.


 * An anthropological analysis of local politics and patronage in a Pakistani village by Lyon, Stephen M. (Lewiston, N.Y. : Edwin Mellen Press, 2004)


 * Hazarawal: Formation and Structure of District Ethnicity by Akbar Ahmed in Pakistan: the social sciences' perspective / edited by Akbar S. Ahmed (Karachi: Oxford University Press 1990)


 * Justice in practice : legal ethnography of a Pakistani Punjabi village by Muhammad Azam Chaudhary. (Karachi: Oxford University Press 1999)


 * System of Social Stratification in Swat, North Pakistan by Frederick Barth in Aspects of caste in south India, Ceylon and north-west Pakistan / edited by E.R. Leach (Cambridge : Cambridge University Press, 1960)

This a worthwhile article, but needs a re-write, and hopefully using the above sources, this can be achieved. --WALTHAM2 (talk) 16:12, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem with micro-studies as sources is that generally they can only be used as verification for micro-points. Yes, they may make some broad statements but their primary purpose is to deal with a tiny segment and far too often on Wikipedia I see those tiny segments being extrapolated to apply to an entire community. Especially when the statement is favourable to the community. - Sitush (talk) 16:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I thought you had quit Wikepedia. --WALTHAM2 (talk) 16:57, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Continent of Dinia
What possibly is the relationship between Gujjars in Pakistan and a map of "The Continent of DINIA by ChoudhryRahmat Ali, M.A., L.L.B., Barrister-at-Law" ? Will the editor who has put this care to inform. Intothefire (talk) 02:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea at all. I have had some doubts about that map but images are generally not my thing. - Sitush (talk) 02:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree, why put the ravings of a lunatic fringe in a source like Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.34.248 (talk) 09:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)