Talk:Gulf War syndrome/Archive 5

In Afghanistan and 2003-9 Iraq War veterans: renamed

 * "Veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan may be suffering from the 20-year-old set of symptoms known as Gulf War Illness, according to a new report released Wednesday by the federal Institute of Medicine. 'Preliminary data suggest that (chronic multisymptom illness) is occurring in veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as well,' the report says... Chronic multisymptom illness was formerly called Gulf War Syndrome, the Institute of Medicine report said."


 * "Many symptoms reported by Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, including headaches, chronic pain, disrupted sleep, fatigue, and attention and memory problems, overlap with symptoms experienced by 1991 Gulf War veterans."


 * So much for nerve gas, pyridostigmine bromide, and probably organophosphate pesticides, too. Any reason not to rename the article? 71.215.76.219 (talk) 19:04, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The big difference is that PTSD is much more common after these wars than it was after the Gulf War.--Sanya3 (talk) 19:23, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The big difference is that PTSD is NOW accepted by the VA as being legitimate and changed the requirements in 2010. The reason PTSD was almost non-existent with Vietnam War veterans is because the US Government failed to accept it as a legitimate problem.

Major Omissions

 * Is there a reason that Khamisiyah demolition is not listed as the largest friendly fire incident in the history of warfare? It's not even listed as a friendly fire incident on the Gulf War Friendly Fire wikipedia page.


 * There is also no information available about VA whistleblowers http://www.forbes.com/sites/rebeccaruiz/2013/03/13/whistleblower-alleges-va-neglected-suicidal-vets-suppressed-study-findings/  or about the RAC being gutted by VA Secretary Eric Shinseki http://www.91outcomes.com/2013/06/uploaded-documents-va-retaliates.html.


 * There is also no information about fMRI findings for Gulf War veterans as seen here:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131015191409.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArmySoldier (talk • contribs) 02:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Citations of 2008 VA report; chronic inflammation
The 2008 Department of Veterans Affairs report, cited several times, was not linked. All these citations now have a link to the PDF. I also reviewed the citations and found regarding one of them (in the "Chronic inflammation" section of the article), that the text in the report on and around the page number cited does not support the statement made in the article. I have tagged this and would appreciate if the author of the original text could correct it. Or, perhaps that paragraph could be removed.

I also notice that the user who posted directly above this has raised concerns about political influence on Dept of Veterans Affairs reports. In the documents linked to by that poster, the former chief investigator recommends this Institute of Medicine report as one that he regards as more reliable. The article could potentially be improved using information from this report. http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2010/Gulf-War-and-Health-Volume-8-Health-Effects-of-Serving-in-the-Gulf-War.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.45.83.114 (talk) 02:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Some references are broken
References #11 and #12 referring to RAC-GWVI Minutes 2005 simply link back to the main article. That's not right, is it? Webgrunt (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

2014 Discover Magazine article "smaller brain stems and cerebellums"

 * I stumbled across a paper version of this article last year, but haven't heard much since: http://discovermagazine.com/2014/sept/7-an-invisible-enemy
 * Should we track this info and create a new section in the main article?
 * I believe I also heard about a push to stop researching for a cause for the syndrome, when it appears an important clue has been found.
 * Be terrible to stop now, when we're so close to determining what has destroyed so many lives, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.139.3.68 (talk) 12:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * We generally only add info from reviews in the scientific literature. If this is the only study showing this, then it wouldn't be appropriate to add it yet. The same shrinkage in hippocampal volume is seen in PTSD. --sciencewatcher (talk) 15:25, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * OK. And, that's interesting news. Almost makes it sound like the whole syndrome is just PTSD-related. I don't remember seeing anything that would have caused PTSD, though. It was nothing like what our counterparts just went through 2003-present in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hmmm ...

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http://www.immed.org/infectious%20disease%20reports/infectdiseasereport06.11.09update/pha_nicolson_0709_v4.07.pdf

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=7933

www.google.pl/search?q=nicolson+Mycoplasmas+doxycycline — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.241.230.163 (talk) 12:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Aluminum adjuvant is not "ruled out"
Al adjuvant is capable of causing chronic inflammation in potentially susceptible people. Also, aluminum is a known cause of alzheimers... al adjuvant has been found in experimental studies to alter tau protein, which is a known precursor to alzheimers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.69.134.168 (talk) 05:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

mtDNA study
As per WP:MEDRS we normally only include secondary sources for medical claims. This is a small single study, so we should really wait to see if it is replicated and picked up by a review. --sciencewatcher (talk) 05:15, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Page move
Following this edit with its well-explained rationale, I propose that the content on this page is moved to Gulf War illness, with this page becoming the redirect. What do other editors think? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 18:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better if this went through a proper WP:RM process to gain community consensus. Nzd   (talk)  23:41, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That seems like a sensible way to progress my suggestion. See below ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Ciprofloxacin (Cipro)
The use of Cipro should be included. Its side effects mirror Gulf War Syndrome. Cipro was widely used in the Gulf War. Wythy (talk) 02:17, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Are there any reliable medical sources that discuss the possible connection between the two? -- Ed (Edgar181) 12:07, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) The Duke of Nonsense What is necessary for thee? 19:33, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Gulf War syndrome → Gulf War illness – As per this edit summary, the US Institute of Medicine, National Airspace System and Department of Defence now use "illness" rather than "syndrome": I propose that the content on this page is moved to Gulf War illness, with the page Gulf War syndrome becoming the redirect ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:58, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In light of WP:COMMONNAME, which term is used most often? Wikipedia doesn't necessarily title articles according to what is considered official.  -- Ed (Edgar181) 12:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. "Gulf War syndrome gets twice as many google search results as "Gulf War illness". Rreagan007 (talk) 21:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and per User:Rreagan007.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.


 * Thanks to those who contributed to the above discussion. In light of the outcome, do people feel that the first line of the article should be reverted? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should say something like "Gulf War syndrome, officially known as Gulf War illness..."ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:28, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


 * No objections so I've changed it. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 10:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

/* Persian Gulf War syndrome */
Persian Gulf War Syndrome (PGWS) or Persian Gulf War Illness (PGWI)

The Persian Gulf is placed on the south of Iranian plateau.

The term of "The Gulf" is not a right Term; because this geographic zone bears its specific history, name and characteristics. Hence, The Gulf War should be revised as The Persian Gulf War. All the terms belonging to the Persian Gulf should be named as the original name of the Persian Gulf.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by PAYAMBEHZADI (talk • contribs)


 * On Wikipedia, we use the most common name, which is 'Gulf War syndrome', even if you might feel another name would be more technically correct. - MrOllie (talk) 12:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC)