Talk:Gumball (video game)

Developer: Robert or Veda?

 * My edit to this article got reverted by you with a reference to MOS:GENDERID. All it states there is not to put emphasis on the gender change (which I didn't) and to decide on a case-by-case basis. I understand that the sources speak of 'Robert', but also that Hlubinka-Cook's latest expressed gender-identification prefers 'Veda'. I don't see how the policy requires us to decide one way or the other. --denny vrandečić (talk) 19:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The sources for "Veda" are primary sources and very new (LinkedIn name change & conference listing from March—neither with explanation). The guideline says to use context—we can wait to see what the sources say, but all sources for this game (including the cover itself) refer to Robert, even if it's a historical name. czar  19:52, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * On articles such as The Cuckoo's Calling we also state that it is written by JK Rowling, not by Robert Galbraith, in the very first sentence. All sources before the name was revealed obviously were saying Galbraith. So what exactly would we be waiting for? Newer sources discussing a 34 year old video game?
 * I would like to follow MOS:GENDERID, which you linked, which says not to make a big deal out of it on linked articles, and use the person's latest self-expression. MOS:GENDERID unfortunately does not explain what it means to use context to decide this in this case, so we have to figure it out. --denny vrandečić (talk) 20:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Right, because what do the sources say? The sources say Rowling under the pseudonym Galbraith, not just "Rowling" or "Galbraith". And what do they say in this case? And no, GENDERID does explain to use context, as we've already discussed—context being sources. If you have a good source that shows her as switching names, then I'm fine with mentioning that at the first usage for argument's sake, but all sources refer to this game as being by a "Richard", so that needs to be explained in the text. If we're not to make a big deal of the gender, the only other solution is to minimize all mentions of the developer by name. czar  21:39, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * And the reason for keeping the previous redirects is to not astonish the reader. "It may be appropriate to make this kind of change if the hint that appears when a user hovers over the link is misleading." It's better to hover over Robert Cook (programmer) and see the redirect to Veda Hlubinka-Cook than to click on one name and get another (without the redirect). czar  20:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Wait, that argument - 'It may be appropriate to make this kind of change...' - is in the section that says why one *should* fix the link to the redirect. This is not an argument for not fixing the redirect.
 * And I agree with the sentiment in WP:DONOTFIX that it would preferable to simply use the name Veda and not to pipe the link at all. --denny vrandečić (talk) 20:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * why one *should* fix Remember that "Robert" is the redirect in this case. I think you mean WP:NOTBROKEN, which is what I quoted. czar  21:39, 19 June 2017 (UTC)