Talk:GunZ: The Duel/Archive 2

Adding International Portal Link
I'm adding the international portal link (http://gunzonline.com/) NotYouHaha (([[User talk:NotYouHaha|talk}}) 16:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Supported. Ryuugaki (talk) 05:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Private Servers
Private Servers are a huge part of what Gunz is and belong on the article, as at least a small mention. Obviously linking to them wouldn't be the way to go, but a small note about their existence should be there. Whether they're legal or not. They exist. Ryuugaki (talk) 06:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Littering the Discussions Page
This page is for discussing the article and how it can improved. Questions about technical help and how to do certain techniques belong in forums such as the ijji Forums or the forum at GunzFactor. Please do not litter this page. Additionally, I'm going to archive all discussions ending before December of 2006. Ryuugaki 00:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll finish archiving the rest later. For those who are reading this, please comply with this request. Or face possible consequences. I'll TELL ON YOU! NA-NA 128.200.104.143 23:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I came back from my break, only to find that the archives are gone! I suppose littering the talk page is a good thing to some of you.. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Editing
I made some good edits that were changed by Persian Poet Gal, so you should change some of them back and not have the site locked down, because, as i always have 100+ ping i KNOW that it doesnt equal .1 seconds or whatever of lag... it equals around .5-1second of lag. Also, for the quest, there should not be opinionated things on how easy the quest is, and Bosses are not rare... you just just get certain items and put them in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerochanger (talk • contribs) 17:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Terms of Service
I'm going to remove the comment about Private Servers being against the TOS, because the people who make private servers never agreed to any Terms of Service. Even if they did, they can claim they didn't. Thus, the statement does not belong in the section. 128.200.104.143 23:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

24/02/07
`Guard While holding either a sword or kodachi, press the guard key to deflect enemy bullets or melee attacks. This does not protect the lower half of the body. `

Does anyone know what the guard button is and would it not be worth adding it?


 * Please sign your post on talk pages, and put new posts at the bottom, unless otherwise stated. And the shift key is, by default, but since it can be changed, it's not worth adding. -- febtalk 20:39, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Storyline?
Would anyone be willing to find and include the storyline originally implemented in the game? --68.60.18.222 02:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's on the regular site, so it's not going to be added. --Kawufix 20:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

A form of Gun Fu/ Gun Kata
Would the game GunZ use any of these?
 * No. Closest you'll get is a gun in each hand. Think more Akimbo than Gun Kata. TerminusEst13 20:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Page revision...
Many of these new page edits are screwing up the page. Pointless things are added in, and are full of grammar and spelling mistakes. Remember, spell/grammar check is your friend - and check your facts before submitting.--Kawufix


 * I revised the main/first section of the article. I don't feel like it's great but it's definitely better than what there was previously - Ikasu


 * "Dagger Style - Dagger Hat (With dagger)(JUMP > DASH> STAB> DASH> STAB> repeat) This Technique was first created by Cytose in a death match. When someone is standing still or walking, jump and dash just as you get to them. This will launch you above them and you can continually stab their head like a wasp. It takes some skill luck and more skill. When directly above someone like this its hard for them to shoot you, but you can stab them till they die. Staying in the air dashing and stabing above them is key for this to work. If you have any tips, or complaints let me know. Check for me on server 2 in gunz whisper Cytose, thats me. Have fun." <- which is what I'm talking about. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article... --Kawufix
 * There is no Ghost Style or Evasive Style, or Hybrid Style if you're about to put that in. They are all "branches" of K-Style - K-Style by itself is all of those styles together. So, don't put any of those in, please. Dagger Style does not have its own techniques, as there is no slash cancelling, and any techniques done with a dagger can be done by a sword or kodachis.--Kawufix 19:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * GunZ, not GUNZ.--Kawufix 21:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I made general grammatical fixings to the page, and added "All Kills". Also, someone screwed up the page again. OdinReborn 18:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

hey! on the private servers part, astra is the continent, not the empire... -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.15.166.97 (talk • contribs)
 * Fixed. --Kawufi x 20:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"Cerb3rus" and "Hurricane"
I deleted the "most commonly used by Cerb3rus and the members of Cerb's Cult" part of Cerb3rus, since it isn't necessarily true (many users use it) and Hurricane, since it isn't really a technique. EDIT: Wait, isn't "Spiking" and "Cerb3rus" exactly the same thing, but with a block cancel in Cerb3rus? RE-EDIT: Cerberus is "Sword Instant-Kill", not "Spiking". Either way, it's not different.--Kawufix

Engrish
"GunZ is played from a 3rd-Person view, with no clear way of changing this announced."

What? :Fixed. "GunZ is played in third person, and no change of this has been annouced. Though the International Edition is in beta stages, the Korean version has long since been more or less complete."--ZanshinJ

Removed Clan section
Having a clan section will result in clans that think they should be listed being added and other defaced/removed Also, much of Gunz clans such as Cer3brus or Hurricane have been constantly tormented by such clans as The_§ic or panties. These clans are groups of individuals with no real cause for playing the game, let alone purpose. They live to pester the gameplay and further produce rebellion amongst young gamers and their friends alike. The much ridiculed sites of such clans exist in the NA servers today known as "www.thesicclan.checkoutmypage.com" and others as known as "wwwfreewebs.com/thesic". also "Pantiesclan.org" is a known vigilante site.

In response to your slander: The_§ic will always been a reigning force upon GunZ and will continue to kick ass and never be banned from the servers. try as they might, the admins have never had proof of us hacking or using theird party programs in the use of playing. So all of you can kindly never speak of us negativily again. We're here to stay and We plan on destroying the game even more than it already has been. Stay §ick Tools. ~link~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Parabola (talk • contribs) 06:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The only protection against this would be a total removal of clans/players section. KANKERSPEL


 * I agree with this. Rubikfreak 22:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hm.....yeah i suppose.......... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.103.239.172 (talk) 09:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Pay For Items?
Reading through the manual it seems you will have to pay for some items later, can anyone shed some light on this?


 * Once the system is implemented, it would make sense to include something on the subject. It's not really worth it for now, though. -- nothingxs 08:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Paying for items?
Well I dont think i'll give the anwser but... >>>Items<<< what kind of items >>>Money(paying)<<< what REAl money or bounty this makes no sense.

Sign your comments. From levels 1-30, you can buy your equipment from the in-game shop for Bounty, the in-game currency. However, after level 30, you must purchase your equipment using whatever form of payment that server requires. In IJJI, it's ijji coins. I am unsure whether this applies to all servers, although it certainly doesn't apply to private ones. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * This is not really correct (on IJJI at least). There are several types of items: boss items, premium items, holiday items, and shop items (not sure about the term shop items).  Boss items are gotten by killing a boss in quest mode.  Premium items are gotten by paying real-life money for them.  Holiday items are gotten by doing some special activity during the holidays (often a quest).  Shop items are gotten by paying for them with bounty (in-game currency you earn for every kill, and for completing a quest, and for selling something in your inventory).  All of these items have a minimum level associated with them which is required to use them.  Premiums, holiday, and boss items can have a time limit associated with them (or they can be permanent).  As far as the level required to use them, shop items go up to lvl 40 on IJJI, and premium items go down to lvl 0 (in other words, they overlap a lot).66.210.31.246 (talk) 01:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Glitches
they're information for the good of the community. stop hiding them.

Glitches are supposed to be there, I think --Joshua Tapar

Seeing as K-style itself is an enormous glitch in the game, I'll go ahead and agree Jitunu 03:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Glitches are the thing that basicly make the game fun. They will meant to be there.User:lousydot aka goodboy5

The whole game is basically a glitch, without glitch it would basically suck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zerochanger (talk • contribs) 16:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Lack of Honor
'''NOTE. This is a perfect example of something that does NOT belong on the talk page. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.''' Ryuugaki (talk) 06:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There are a precious few Gunz players who are tired of every player out there constantly using the Butterfly technique instead of having an actual swordfight. This is particularly annoying when one is playing bow rules, as it often results in one person endlessly jumping and slashing in circles around a player who cannot or will not use Butterfly. While the Butterfly technique remains one of the most effective styles of melee combat, it is a rather underhanded tactic. It is likely that the original game design did not include such a tactic and that it developed from loopholes in the game's coding. Although widely used and incredibly effective, the Butterfly technique requires little strategy, though many will inevitably argue otherwise. I have found that the Butterfly technique robs the game of some of its entertainment value. In an effort to curb the rampant use of Butterfly, the user cidbahamut has made efforts to introduce the concept of Gopher Style, a more ground based style of fighting. Although Gopher Style is not effective against Buttefly, it is much more enjoyable. The number of users who have interacted with and agreed with the user cidbahamut is extremely small, but many have found Gopher Style to be preferable to jumping around endlessly with Butterfly.

Cidbahamut lives on server 3 of the international version beta.


 * Butterfly does not make you invincible or anything unfair to others, so there isn't anything wrong with people using it. It's just a very good technique that makes you hard to hit and allows you to constantly attack and guard. Plus, it's fun...just like flying :) People who complain about butterfly probably just aren't skilled enough or are too ignorant to figure out how to use it. If you don't use butterfly that's fine, but don't complain about it. CMyst 02:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Butterfly is a perfectly legitimate sword technique. Don't assume the person butterflying does not enjoy it, or at least don't preach about your self-proclaimed "Gopher-Style." This is a competitive online game, there is no such thing as honor- the only true concept is the concept of winning.


 * Some people cannot use butterfly simply because of the fact they find it pyhsically impossible, He isn't being ignorant, Your being ignorant of the fact not everyone wants to butterfly.

-gantzgraf-


 * This entire argument is stupid. You are essentially trying to bring the concept of 'honor' into an online, competitive game. In a competitive game, the goal is to win. There's no such thing as an "underhanded tactic" as long as the game itself allows for it. While the game did not originally intend to have the butterfly feature in the Korean beta, the tactic became so popular that the game was eventually changed to adapt the 'cancelling' system, thus making it a completely legitimate tactic.


 * Arguing that the butterfly is 'dishonorable' or that people are ignorant because they aren't accomodating people who find it physically impossible to do is -- you guessed it -- ignorant. People will do whatever they want to, regardless of whatever you think. And people, believe it or not, want to win. I suggest that you pick up and play a different game if you find certain things in GunZ to be physically impossible, because GunZ is not the game for you. If you still want to play, then take what you have and develop something around it. No one is forcing you to butterfly. You can fight just fine without it. You will not have the upper hand since it is one of those "must-know" skills of GunZ (butterflying forward is a basic, simple and helpful technique in melee combat, and also one of the best ones -- and you usually can learn it first because it teaches good cancelling timing and prepares your muscle memory for different techniques). However, you cannot blame OTHERS for YOUR faults. Instead of complaining about what others do, improve yourself and beat them. Practice makes perfect. --nothingxs


 * Whether we want to believe it or not, Butterflying is the ONLY way to EFFECTIVELY fight in melee in GunZ. This is only strengthened by the fact of various accepted glitchs. Do I approve of Butterflying? No. Do I use Butterfly? No. Do I hate Butterfliers for Butterflying? No. There is NO possible way any DECENT (Decent being people who can butterfly continuously, no matter if it's fast or slow, just if it's continuous) butterflier is going to lose to someone who actually slashs and blocks etc. There are just too many accepted glitchs that hinder the people who actually don't want to or can't Butterfly. On a side note, I personally believe that it is no longer possible to play this game unless you can at least SlashShoot or Half-Step. The game needs to be changed to reflect this, people who actually want to play this game aren't going to get anywhere fast unless they can learn these things. Also, people need to stop being so ignorant and idiotic in thinking that K-Style is the ONLY way to play, there are many other methods of playing, and if it works, it works...Perhaps I said that wrong...Anyways, saying that "Anyone who goes against Butterflying is just saying that because they are too ignorant or can't do it" is just completely false. I can butterfly fine, but I don't use it, and I still do very well in games. --OdinReborn


 * I find your biased opinion so amusing Odin, back in igunz around the low teens we used to TDM all the time. It's incredibly comic to me that you preach so heavily against an exploitable glitch solely because you've never taken the time to get decent at it (remember friend; I've seen you BF before, or at least try to). Nothing about this game needs to be changed, MAEIT themselves have even said that they have no plans of EVER removing canceling techniques due to the enormous fanbase of it. Stop preaching. And don't lie about doing well in games, either. You do well on any map you can tumble backward and use your level 34 maxwell on :P your lies aren't going to impress anyone that leveled consistently with you, Odin. Tsk tsk, defending someone who has the same problem you do. Jitunu 03:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Id like to know how to butterfly but arguably i also like turtling, a nice ground sword to sword fight rather than head aching dizzy spinning, mouse and keyboard bashing defense of the BF. Although id still like to know how to do it effectively cus it looks so pro xD.. if anyone would like to teach names Janix06 intern beta~ ^^'


 * Guys guys calm down. Butterflying is not the only way to effectively fight in melee in GunZ. You can also use lots of other melee styles which are very effective too but since it's not as popular as butterfly. Butterflying is very easy when you keep on practicing it. --User:Joshua Tapar


 * butterfly is fun to watch, but i guess im a "pro turtle" and i always come up on top in sword only. always. when a player is using butterfly against you just block and run into them. this causes a stun and you can get 2 or 3 hits in, then flip them, charge and 2 or 3 more hits. simple and effective. the key is to know when to lure with wild swings and then blocking at the last minute if the butterfly is pro. also, while this need not be said, lure a butterfly near walls and the entire technique will start to fall apart.  yours truly - SpankyMuch


 * Butterfly is not "cheap" - it takes skill to learn it. If you claim that you beat everyone using it by turtling, you obviously haven't met any decent gladiators - no nub spams butterfly around someone, unless they know exactly what they're doing. If you can manage to lure a butterflier near a wall, saying that you don't butterfly, all they have to do is dash away without a slash, and then keep butterflying. Also, no technique in Gunz is "button mashing" - all require precise key presses. You can't just slam your hand on the keyboard and hope to execute a technique, like in fighting games. Without butterfly or the other K-Style techniques, Gunz would be as good as dead. Also, there are but 2 styles - D-Style and K-Style. E-Style/made-up styles are but a branch of either of them, and H-Style does not carry its own techniques (K-Stylers can do whatever a H-Styler can). This topic was made about 9 months ago, too - any style discussions are about dead. --Kawufix 02:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Butterfly is a very enjoyable technique and it is a lot more fun fighting another person who butterflys. Butterfly is a very easy technique to learn but it is very hard to master. gopher style is so incredibly dumb it is ridiculous, butterflying is something that drags a fight out or speeds it up gopher style sounds noobish and turtlish64.251.53.81 14:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Turtling is not "noobish". Whatever you can do to win, do it. --Kawufix 19:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * "Whatever you can do to win, do it." This is the reason why E-Style has a bad name; just look at the E-Style guide Tsuteto made, it's oh-so-accurate -rolls eyes- Anyways, back to the point. It's not dishonorable to Butterfly. OdinReborn 18:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

<(' '<) All sword styles are blockable, to block butterfly, simply block upwards.

^^That's not true at all 'to block butterfly, simply block upwards'. If that was true, noone would be using Butterfly because it would have a 100% chance to fail if you "simply blocked upwards" Fact of the matter is, there is NO other way to fight in melee in GunZ besides Butterflying (With swords, daggers are a different story) Meaning, you can't slash on the ground or slash in the air (without blocking) and even hope to win against a decent Butterflier. --OdinReborn

Dude who cares about honour its just all you kill me and i kill you in this game. Butterfly is fine by my word. Skullprince5

Ok... Sure the "Butterfly Technique" and other techniques were made with the loop holes and glitches in the game (such as those cancelling moves) but isn't that what makes Gunz so fun and unpredictable? If you ask me, the only thing wrong with the Butterfly technique is the discrimination that comes with it. If you can't "BF" then you're considered a n00b. Turtling and other styles of playing are just fine. Just because your invincible BF was defeated by a "n00b move" then you shouldn't go flaming the other guy... Just my opinion, and by the way PLEASE, PLEASE don't go around saying BF is the best. It's just really effective. ~WhatBeDevoid


 * The "honor" discussion ended ages ago. K-Style is legit even if it cancels, because it's included in the 2005 Gunz trailer, and there's nothing dishonorable about it - it takes skill or at least practice to learn, so anyone who cannot do it can't complain if they didn't practice it to use it against other butterfliers. --Kawufix 14:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the only reason people are still touchy about the BF is because they are easily pawned by BFers. People please don't go ranting around saying BF isn't legal or isn't part of the game. I have to agree with Kawufix on this one, just learn it. I used to be against BF mainly because I couldn't do it. Now, although my BF sucks and it's pretty slow I'm beginning to see why it's one of the most popular styles of Gunz Whatbedevoid 07:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What I mean is, just stop this discussion of "honor" completely. The argument was dead several months ago, and there's no point in continuing it. --Kawufix 20:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * (the last comment in this topic by me was 12/12/06, so the topic's been dead.) --Kawufix 01:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol. For those who complain about butterflying, heres some tips.
 * 1. DONT PLAY SWORD ONLY!
 * 2. Use your guns and aim for the head. This is a move i have found effective on many occasions in a sword and gun game. OH, and DROP THE TOPIC!Quatreryukami 15:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Replying in the topic saying that the topic is dead after it being mentioned by two different people is sort of redundant. Headshots don't do much extra in GunZ, so you shouldn't really try and go for a headshot over a regular body hit, unless in special cases where you have a choice (if they're camping and you go behind them or something like that). --Kawufix 20:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, seriously, guys, this isn't that complicated. GunZ was not meant to be played with any K-Style moves. They take advantage of glitches in the game, negating a lot of other players who use a legitimate and fair style. That being said, there has been no movement from the GunZ team to stop these glitches and eliminate unfair K-stylers... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.178.42.23 (talk • contribs)


 * Please, read the rest of the section before commenting, since this has already pretty much reached a conclusion. Check your talk page for my comment. --Kawufi x 19:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I actually find it humorous that people think k styling is dishonorable. There are plenty of in game functions that were, in fact, not glitches, and they I find more cheap than k styling (two examples are spraying and stabbing someone to the ground, then shooting them while they're down). Something in a game that lacks honor is said to take no skill and still match up or outdo people using intense amounts of skill to play. K styling takes a lot more skill to play than any other "cheap" technique I've seen. It takes timing and quick reflexes in rapid succession. Those who "physically" lack the ability to k style, whiners who don't like practicing aside, are the equivalent to those who lack two hands to play the game: there's empathy for you, but the entire game shouldn't revolve around your needs. That being said, it should also be noted that, according to the article, "Because it's based on several programming oversights, people using Korean-Style were often considered to be cheating, but now the style is generally accepted, as the GunZ 2005 trailer features Korean players actively using K-Style"


 * Please click the signature button to add your signature, and read the above comments first; the topic has been overdiscussed and you're just reiterating what everyone else has already said. --Kawufi x 14:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The discussion page is for discussion about the article, not various styles of gameplay. Discussions about "Honor" and whether or not it takes skill to do something belong in forums, not encyclopedic discussions. Just end this conversation before you force me to go all Moderator on you and write a four-page essay on how you're doing something wrong and Chuck Norris is indeed related to at least one deity (As well as notes on how the heck Chuck Norris has anything to do with you anyway). And as for my two cents, if you don't like that someone is using Butterfly techniques, either learn it yourself, or if you can't, stop complaining. Excuses like "I don't want to because it lacks honor / it's "stupid" / it's "nooby" aren't arguments at all. If you don't like it, find another game to play. Like CounterStrike. It's just Gunz without swords. And lots of spraying. Ryuugaki 23:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Honor is probably not the term you're looking for. However if you approach the issue in terms of game play balance instead of honor, I could see your point. I would also point out that K-stylers can have an advantage in laggy games because they are constantly attacking a wide area with their sword as well as blocking. -- TekJ 11:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please read Ryuugaki's comment. I'll respond to your comment on your talk page (and you really should register for Wikipedia instead of editing under an IP). --Kawufi x 17:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow, stop complaining. A useful technique against BF is Turtling. I use BF, but when I find someone much better then me at K-Style, I just Turtle, and alot of the time win.ScrapWolf 15:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

GUYS! There are so many things wrong with this discussion... Okay, although I think that K-Style is a bit iffy, I don't mind because I use a knife anyways. And besides all that, this does not belong on a Wikipedia talk page. So we shoyuld really drop the whole thing. --The F50 Man 17:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Honestly this is totally rubbish. Butterfly is one of the most powerful melee skill in combat. Which actually helps us if we run out of bullets etc... My definition of this topic is people are just too tired getting killed by people who use butterfly or whatever. My answer to this is: Why not practice k-style( butterfly and stuff) and just be as good as the other players. Remember this!!! Practice makes perfect!!!! My other solution: Stop whining or just play some other game. Gunz just has too many of these whining fools. Lousydot aka goodboy5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lousydot (talk • contribs) 15:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandals:
Damn Vandals: Stop deleting stuff, or your ip will be temporarily banned. Stop sometime soon!

Forums
Help! I can't get to the international GunZ forums! Cloudbreath9 22:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * They've been down for roughly a year now, so GunzFactor is more or less the official forums, since MAIET/ijji staff posts on it. --Kawufix 22:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It is closed.--goodboy5

PvP and PvE
Should there be mention of the game being exclusively PvP only despite having RPG elements which would suggest to a person who hasn't played the game that there is some form of PvE?
 * Add signature (click the button). There is, but in quest mode, which hasn't been enabled in IGunz yet. The story is misleading, since it wasn't meant for this "version" of Gunz - probably only for the earlier incarnations of it. --Kawufix 14:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Gunrock
It seems that the links must first be verified. Well, I would like to have http://gunrock.tk/ added to the links section. Please verify the link ASAP, as we are the rival of Gunzfactor and are trying to run them out of business. It is also a forum fo Warrock, but that doesn't have to do anything with GunZ: The Duel. With that being said, I would really appreciate if you would verify the site. --drama4money


 * Moving this to the bottom of the section and re-doing your signature. Sign your posts regularly using four tildes - if everyone signed as if they were writing a letter, it'd take up too much room. I don't think gunrock.tk should be added to the list, because every argument that applies to GunzUnlimited applies to Gunrock, and even more so, because the site only has 20 registered users, the site was made something like two days ago, and it doesn't even have the argument of having "better" guides on its side, either. --Kawufix 18:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Yo, want to ally with GZU? I'm rivaling with GZF as well. As for Kawufix, yea GunZ Factor has a very active forum and a lot of info is there but one bad thing. Everything is spattered everywhere. Very unorganized. --Razorblitz07


 * Just because you don't like a site's layout or design doesn't mean it's insignificant. I'd agree if we were talking over two evenly matched pages, but there is clearly a LARGE gap between site content and userbase. While you might have good google results, that doesn't make you nearly as important a site. -- febtalk 19:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello I Am Verimas I Agree With Razorblitz07 Fully All The Way But I Belive That Razorblit07 Is Un Worthy To Have His Site Here He Created A Private Server And He Released it Publicly!He Is A Discrace To The GunZ Community I HOPE YOU GET SUED!Veriams 18:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If his site was notable enough to be added, the fact that he has a private server on it doesn't matter. Didn't you mention that you have a private server also? (even if not public, it's still illegal.) --Kawufi x 20:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Verimas, shutup. You're ElementalShadow. As for the private server, I see LegacyGamers and Daemonring posted up on the main page. As the 2 best GunZ Private servers, shouldn't they get shutdown and sued? Hmmm, hasn't happened yet. And Verimas, you're just pissed off becuase the GunZ Unlimited Staff confronted you and finally found out that you're not an ijji admin, which is the reason why you have been banned from GZU. If MAIET or ijji tells me to shutdown my server, I will. Until then, they haven't done sh*t about any of the *insert numbers here* private servers out there. -razorblitz07 11:16 PM March 5th

Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side. --OdinReborn 16:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

GZU and GR are just fan sites, and are not notable enough to be in the extrnal links list. the only reason GZF is on the list is because its being used as an official forum for iGunz since MAIET hasnt put up their forum. This shouldnt be anymore clearer. End of discussion. DYE_Slayer 03:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it has been the end of discussion for two months now. Please look at the dates and make sure that what you're commenting on isn't redundant. --Kawufi x 21:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Excellent Job
I am a player of Gunz the Duel and I use the k-style techniques described on this wiki. I just want to say that anyone that worked on this did a very nice job. The techiniques described here are fantastic! Keep up the good work! Edit: Oops... forgot signature. Thanks, Kawufix!!! Rubikfreak 19:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (add signature D:) This wiki has been here for over a year, but at that time, it was a piece of crap. Luckily, there's a ton of people who work on this wiki a lot, so it's improved quite a bit. :D --Kawufix 22:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am the IP address who keeps editing certain parts of the article (Weapons section usually). Hopefully my edits are appreciated and not reverted >_> --MK0 03:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, as long as you're not vandalizing or causing any other sort of trouble, you're doing great! :) Rubikfreak 01:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The K-style techniques do not belong on the article. This is not StragetyWiki. Ryuugaki (talk) 06:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to move Korean-Style Techniques section to Wikibooks
As per tag. Anyone? --Antoshi~! T 18:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. But, wait for more users to read this first. --Kawufix 20:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Still considering this, especially with the new tag. --Antoshi~! T 03:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The techniques should be removed in this GunZ article. It states that this shouldn't be an instruction manual (Which is entirely true) and as such, we must remove the Korean-Style technique moves etc etc etc in this article. You can describe what it is, but you don't show the moves. I'm going to remove them once, and see how it goes. OdinReborn 17:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
 * You should copy them to wikibooks before you move them, as in the topic above <_< --Kawufix 20:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhh... I have no idea how Wikibooks works, so I'm reverting the page for now - discuss further in the other topic. --Kawufix 20:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Merging this with the other topic, actually. --Kawufix 20:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've no idea what Wikibooks is, i'm just here for editing and such. Either way, showing and telling the moves of the game I believe is against Wikipedia's...policy...thing (I really have no idea) Look up any other game on here and none of them tell how to do certain moves. They may explain WHAT you can do, but they don't tell how. This isn't meant to be a dictionary, it's meant to be an encyclopedia.OdinReborn 14:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
 * Yeah. There was a tag here before that said that the how-tos should be moved to wikibooks, but unfortunately someone deleted it <_< Any regular editor around these parts know how to move stuff to Wikibooks, or knows a way to contact someone who does? --Kawufix 20:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Kill Auras?
Anyone got screenshots of the "auras" over peoples' heads? Headshot and All Kill are accurate, but the rest aren't, or at least aren't very descriptive. Not that you'd need anything besides the color to tell you what you got, though. --Kawufix 03:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It's hard because for example, the "Purple Aura" isn't a clear descriptive graphic. OdinReborn 15:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

Yeah :\ I never actually looked carefully at any of the "auras", so until now, I didn't even notice that Excellent was a set of wings. <_< --Kawufix 18:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh, you either don't play a lot, not observant, or your graphic's are on low XD Heh, just playing. But yea, I think "Arch-like" is the best it's going to get -_-;; OdinReborn 14:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn

Kay, done. --Antoshi~! T 03:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

E-Style and D-Style additions
I believe that E-Style and D-Style techniques should be added to GunZ the Duel wikipedia. This is because K-Style isn't the only way to play, and it pushes into that "It's the only way to play" territory. I say either show it all or show none of it at all. Way way way back when, I added an E-Style thing, but it got deleted quickly. Can someone provide reasoning as to why E-Style and D-Style aren't mentioned at all? (The actual techniques) OdinReborn 16:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
 * Ain't no E-Style techniques - all it is, is a style. K-Style is not a style, but a set of moves that you can define. E-Style gets into the tactics part, which is a bit fuzzy. D-Style doesn't have any of its own techniques either, so the only thing you could add is any tactics you may use while using a dagger. (well, besides minor things and glitches like quick-hang, instafall, or corner wall run) --Kawufix 18:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

There are E-Style techniques, they just don't rely on glitchs etc XD Me being one of the only people who still practices E-Style/Hybrid. And D-Style does have it's own moves, they don't rely on glitchs though (I think) such as Yo-yo, Gatling, Footstab, Evade etc. OdinReborn 14:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)OdinReborn
 * Yoyo is a glitch, and it can be done with any weapon, including swords. When you try to dash at the apex of the jump in between animations, you do a silent dash. Gatling is dash cancelling, and Footstab is basically just like ground slashing with a sword. Evade... <_< --Kawufix 17:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you do Dagger Hop, Space Invader, Dagger Train, and Dagger Machine without a dagger and claim that they are NOT glitches? Search for them on gunzfactor.com.


 * Add signature next time. Dagger hopping is just jump dash stabbing spamming around everywhere. Prim's guide has space invaders confused - there isn't a yoyo dash in it, and that isn't a different technique from dagger hopping except that you use it in a pattern. Dagger train is basically just dagger hop again, except on the ground. Dagger machine is the same as dagger hop but done near an opponent to try to stab them. They are glitches, though. You can do these techniques or at least use substitutes for them with a sword - dagger hop/space invader/dagger train/dagger machine are replaced with light step, flash step, butterfly or double butterfly (not respectively; all 4 of those "techniques" are the same but are just used differently). Either way, D-Style and E-Style techniques won't be added, since all the K-Style techniques have been moved to StrategyWiki a few months ago. Feel free to add them there, though. --Kawufi x  16:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Let me try to explain the difference between Dagger and Sword Canceling.

With a Sword, you can cancel wall jumps, wall runs, enemy animations(Dagger Gatling), and dashes. You can also splice slashes with wall jumps(wall slash climbing) dashes(Lightstep and Butterfly), and weapon switches(Slashshot). Daggers can cancel all the things that swords can at more or less the same effectiveness, however they cannot splice anything. They look pretty disadvantaged don't they? Guess what, they're not. Let me explain. With a sword you can cancel dashes just as well as daggers, but you MUST wait for the entire slash animation to end before doing something else(like dashing). Daggers, on the other hand, must also wait for their stab animation to end when canceling, but... but! They don't need to wait very long, because the Stab animation is SO SHORT, that feats like dashing two times in a single jump is possible - which incidentally is called Dagger Flash. This, is the niche of Dagger glitching, and is one of the greatest reasons why they are still in use. Because Daggers can cancel so much faster, they can change directions at almost any given point in time. Yes, you can Light Step with a sword, but Dagger users can cut off their dash and go off in completely a different direction at nearly whenever they want to. You can Space Invade with a sword yes, but again your dashes are predictable because you have to wait for your dash or slash animation to end completely before going in another direction; once again, daggers do not and as a result, are many times more unpredictable and have much more evasive ability. In short, the secret of Dagger speed is the briefness of the stabs, allowing more things to be done in a shorter time frame. Dagger Hopping is, as you say, jump+dash+stab spamming, but you will not get the same erratic result if you try it with a sword. When someone Dagger Hops they jump up and down rapidly. Light Step is MUCH slower. Though then again, Butterfly might actually be better in certain situations(they have a similar movement pattern), but that is besides the point. Dagger Train is DHopping with a jump, yes. Nevertheless, it still has it's uses. Okay, you know about juggling, right? Sword juggling makes use of a fast butterfly cancel to keep a person in the air. Dagger Juggling is much simpler, because you can normally spam stab below a person and keep him in the air. A Dagger Train is crucial to Dagger Juggle because you obviously need to manuever to stab at the right points. A Dagger Hop wouldn't work because you might knock the target down; thus we have Dagger Train as a badass component in an advanced Dagger move. Dagger Machine is NOT the same as Dagger Hopping. What's this about "doing it near an opponent to stab them"? That's just plain Dagger Hopping. Dagger Machine, contrary to what Prim's guide says, is manipulating two stabs such that the first one hits later than usual, thus the time window between the two stabs is shortened. The target will go through 2 hit animations subsequently, leaving them wide open to another attack of your choosing. An in-depth and well-written source can be found here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f11/62959-dagger_machine_explained.html Let me sum it up--> Dagger Hopping, Dagger Training, Dagger Machining, proper Space Invading all not possible with sword because the slash delay to too long. Daggers can cancel one after another. If you still doubt the uniqueness or even usefulness of these moves, I strongly suggest you read a relatively new Dagger Guide here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f11/52087-cysotes_tactical_dstyle_guide.html or if you want visual proof, watch a Dstyle tutorial here: http://www.gunzfactor.com/forums/f36/38528-do_dagger_4_ahtpd.html. Sorry for the text wall, if you feel the need for further explanation just say so. Nosedigger 11:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh and by the way, Dagger Gatling does not involve dash canceling. It's a situation-specific move that makes use of an enemy's melee attack to cancel your own lunge, so that your lunge attack hits the person yet you don't go into a hefty lunge animation. Nosedigger 15:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Quite a wall of text there ._. Yes, swords have to wait for the slash animation to end before doing anything, but the sword animation itself can be cancelled by blocking or switching to gun/sword quickly (flash step/qs). The stab animation is shorter, yes, but it doesn't let you do anything to cancel that animation during that time. Dagger Flash's name is based off of flash step, so obviously you can do two dashes in a jump with a sword. Light step is not a practical step since it's so slow (and shouldn't be mentioned in technique comparisons); FS is much better, and allows much of the same movement as with a dagger, but it just takes more effort to do. Again, the slash animation can be cancelled by switching or by blocking, nulling that point. Dagger hopping can be replicated by using butterfly (and no, that is not beside the point, as you are saying that the ability to cancel dashes quickly is an ability of only the dagger). Dagger juggling is useful and is easier to do than a sword juggle, but sword juggling does more damage more quickly, and you can relaunch the opponent easier if they fall, but with a dagger, you have to get the opponent to do the wrong thing again to start a juggle. Obviously, since they're two different weapons, they can't do exactly the same moves, but the sword can replicate most of what the dagger can do. Sword's advantages over the dagger: higher damage, slash-switch cancelling, blocking. Dagger's advantages over the sword: lower weight, easier erratic movement, unexpectedness in higher level games. --Kawufi x 15:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Slash needs can be canceled further, but even then it's still slower than a Stab. Lol, that's about all I have to say. Nosedigger 13:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Edits by 72.89.220.10
1. All Kill only occurs when a player has killed everyone on the other team, or everyone but one person. If you do 105+ damage to everyone on the other team, meaning that you do the majority, you will NOT get all kill if you kill nobody.

2. Butterfly and butterfly step ARE THE SAME THING. Nobody does butterfly without a dash, and I explicitly noted that it could be done without it though.

3. "Butterfly Stepshot" is a combo of butterfly and a standstill slashshot.

4. "Butterfly Shot/Buttershot" is JUMP > SLASH > BLOCK > [DASH] > SLASH > SWITCH > SHOOT > [DASH], where [] is optional dashes. Double butterfly then a slashshot is simply impossible, since you will hit the ground by the end of the second slashblock.

5. Stop adding non-encyclopedic information, and use comments correctly - <!-.- is the beginning of a comment, and -.-> signifies the end (remove the periods).

Just so you know why I reverted you again. --Kawufix 02:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Kawufix
Ok Kawufix I agree with you for most.. you don't have to include that last part for All kill it's pretty obvious if you kill nobody you would not get an all kill..., Secondly Butterfly Stepshot IS a combo of butterfly step and a motionless slash shot however it is still a move either way. Also this is "tips and tricks" as stated if this was so non-encyclopedic you'd have to delete the whole Korean style page.. If you think otherwise about that then where do you stand on what I add...

72.89.220.110 05:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC) DAonlyRaZoR . . . but to you, "72.89.220.10"


 * Register for Wikipedia officially in case your IP changes, and rather than making a new section, reply to the old section. If you look above, the entire Korean Style section will be moved to Wikibooks sometime soon, anyway. What your edit was meant that if you heavily damaged the other team (implies that you don't actually kill them), you'd get All Kill. Butterfly is never called Butterfly Step, and butterfly is never done without a dash, since it's completely useless - you don't have the slash-block frequency as a double butterfly, so anyone can just shoot you easily, and you can't stun anyone from the slow speed (regular butterfly is faster since the dash keeps you low to the ground, so it's more repeatable). Butterfly Stepshot does not exist - it's not a single technique, and it's only a combo of butterfly/slashshot, and because butterfly isn't called butterfly step. The reason why steps like Stylish Step are counted as steps are that: the second dash is silent from the slash cancel, and you cannot take apart any of the steps, otherwise you could not complete the rest, or the technique would be broken. In your butterfly stepshot, you can take out the entire first part and still be able to do the last 4 steps. Buttershot/Butterfly Slashshot does exist, which is what I named above. Combos do not count as techniques - you could stick a flash step and a slashshot together and call it flashshot, but that's not a single technique. Also, Double Butterfly shot is impossible, since as I said above, you'd hit the ground before you could do the slashshot - if you jumped, then it'd just be a combo of Double Butterfly and a Slashshot. --Kawufix 17:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Since there was already a section with your name in it, there would be no point in me making another one. Anyways, you should check your Userpage sometime XD --OdinReborn 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "Butterfly is never called Butterfly Step"- Incorrect. The original name for it was "Nabitep". Butterfly Tap. Butterfly Step. Also, I have conferred with several kGunz players, and they have never heard of this "Kraise" person mentioned several times in this discussions page. Thus, if I see any instance of "Kraise", I will immediately delete it off the page in the name of all that is cited and truthful. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Movement in progress
I see this wasn't going to get done, so I went and did it myself. Through some research, I found out that video game strategy wiki's belong in StrategyWiki, not Wikibooks. So, I went ahead and moved the K-Style Techniques section over there. If anyone else wants to contribute and make the article less of a stub, the link is here. --Antoshi~! T 18:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think we should add D-Style techniques to it as well. Looking this over, people may only think K-Style is ftw, when there are several styles that are equally valid. TerminusEst13 20:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Since it's now in StrategyWiki, now you can probably add some stuff as to how the techniques are used, rather than just telling what they do. Continue the discussion at the StrategyWiki talk page, or the K-Style one. --Kawufix 20:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Factual Accuracy?
I don't see a lot off from Ijji Gunz, since most of the page has been updated and sections have been changed to make the article accurate. The article might need new sections on clans or on new systems in the game, but otherwise for past information it's about fine. --Kawufix 22:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, edited a bit. Keep editing if you find anything else inaccurate :D --Kawufix 22:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Kill system
You can get Fantastic on your first kill. I'm not positive for Unbelievable, though, so I'll leave that edit in. As long as you hit the head, you can get a headshot. --Kawufix 15:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe "Unbelievable" occurs if you kill multiple enemies in rapid succession. Legend  Talk 02:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Needs more info on other versions
The article seems to revolve around International and North American gunz itself,and not gunz in general. we need some more information on Japanese and Korean gunz. DYE_Slayer 05:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but we need some KGunz and JGunz players to edit this - IGunz players who are can and are willing to edit are hard enough to find. --Kawufix 19:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Or instead, just drop I/NA stuff and move the I, K, J, and Ijji to the other GunZ...thing. Just a suggestion. Make it just a general Encyclopedia, not specific. OdinReborn 20:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)OdinReborn

Actually, I recently found MAIET's website which includes its history. (hint,hint) The link. DYE_Slayer 22:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, that works. It was only in Korean before, so I couldn't read it :\ --Kawufix 20:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Reload sword thing ? ?
Some person (Grey-FOXDIE) told me on GunZ that you can reload and switch to sword and your gun would reload or something (the manner in which you reload and switch with RS but it reloads this time while your sword's hilt is in your hand).

Is there nething on this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iijasd (talk • contribs) 01:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
 * no --Kawufix 21:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is done with a hack. No point adding it in, unless you are adding a Hacks section in...MrJacky 13:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Joke comment. iijasd=grey-foxdie --Kawufi x 14:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Aha... A hack? No, it is a glitch many people encounter whilst trying to practice forbidden... >.< gg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.9.120 (talk) 13:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

External Links Complaints
I did send an e-mail to Wikipedia. And you can't keep editing the list of fansites. This is a FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA, anyone can edit or add information to an article with whatever that person judge importante. So, stop deleting all the fansites that were added on the list of External Links. You was reported to Wikipedia. . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.10.168.92 (talk) 15:45, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly, you should read wikipedia's policies and guidelines, this is not the proper way to voice a complaint. Secondly, I advise you to not take a threatening tone with other editors. Third, if you wish to add links, discuss them on the talk page, do not just add them, ESPECIALLY after other editors have removed them. Fourth, your GunZ unlimited site claims to have about 900 members, as opposed to GunZ Factor 's  nearly 40,000. It should be fairly obvious why it is included and not your site. Fifth, editors can not, as you claim, add anything they deem important. Again, there are policies and guidelines as to what should be added, and adding more links is not always good, read WP:EL for more. Lastly, sign your posts on talk pages, and do not attempt to purposefully remove your signature from posts, as it could be considered vandalism. -- febtalk 19:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Another note: The encyclopedia is free, and anyone can edit it, but the edits which stay are those which are cited, notable, and are informative, not just what the editor deems important. If someone deemed that noting that they made a fansite was important, that'd be fine and all, but it wouldn't stay in the article, since it isn't important to the subject of the article. --Kawufix 20:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not the owner of Gunz Unlimited. You guys are destroying with the concept of FREE. So, if you think that only Gunz Factor can be between the External Links, i will keep deleting it, until other fansites can be between them. Faces this as a protest against that giants who think they can rule everybody. Typical of an american. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.34.85.59 (talk) 00:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Please reread our comments - a free encyclopedia means that anyone can edit it, but it doesn't mean that every single edit is valid - take a look at all the vandalism that was reverted from this page in just the last week. I'll request protection on the article if you delete the link and change the external links note again, because GunzFactor is a notable site dealing with Gunz, because the admins post there, and it's relied on as the primary forums since the official ones are down; although ijji has its own boards for NAGunz, it also links to GunzFactor, so it's definitely notable. (Typical of an american?) --Kawufix 01:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Kawu, admins will just look at it and say "not enough activity" if you ask for prot. And to you, Mr. IP, stop attacking other editors. See WP:NPA. Saying 'typical of an american' might fly on some forums, but here it will get you banned for racism and personal attacks in the first place. Anyway, as has already been said, we're not trying to control the article, however GunzU is nowhere near as notable as GunZF (and don't claim i'm being biased, i've never used either site), if you have useful information to add to the article, that's fine, however violations of WP:EL will be reverted. Especially when the main contributors have decided that the links section is fine, and you edit it specifically against the instructions in the comment box, and then proceed to attack other editors for 'violating' WP policies when you haven't read them yourself. Your GunzU Can be added when it is a significant forum, which as of yet it's not. I've seen forums for specific guilds which have become major centers of discussion in an online game, and i've seen forums designed for the entire community fail, or remain too small to be of any real use. So far, GunzU hasn't shown itself to be anywhere near as significant as GunzF, and until you can prove it is significant enough, please do not add it to the article.-- febtalk 03:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Private Servers
It seems like the best solution here would be to mention private servers, but not specific names. People who are interested can find them on google, and it keeps WP from being a directory. Obviously everyone wants to mentioned their server to give it fame, but where do we draw the line of 'Major'? Same population of official servers? Larger? A few hundred? -- febtalk 21:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Guess I'll delete them, since there's a crapload of private servers coming out nowadays (even GunzUnlimited has their own). Blame the guys who released the database :\ I'll still keep ZFB8's server mentioned, since it was the first publically shown private server (although others have been mentioned in the community before his, like the SK server which was shut down). --Kawufi x 03:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There Have Been A Lot of Servers I Have One It Is Just About As Good As ZFB8's Server I Have Not Released It Publicly And I Will Not Release It.I Made My Own Database And Made Everything From Scratch I Think That You Should At Least Mention Me Or Something My Company's Name Is Shadowgamer We Made it I Have a staff of 12 that is it thanks -Veriams 18:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of private servers yes, but ZFB8's was the first one and was kind of a "landmark" - if we just add every single private server after his, then the list will grow pretty extensive. --Kawufi x 20:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok Just Because I Kept My Server "Private" Hence The Meaning And I Didn't Release It 3 Days After International GunZ Came Out Im Not Famous For It The Only Reason RepublicOfAstra Id Famous FOr His Is Because He Blabbed it All Over YouTube After Guntrix Said That There Will Be No Private Servers On GunZ He Is A Show-Of And All Private Servers Came To Be Because Of 3 People 1.Whoever Made The .mrs Unpacker 2. The Creator Of MatchServer 3.The Creater Of The GunzDB Table

I Did Not Use Any Of That I Made It Scratch Programed Typed Everything Translating All Text On GunZ I Could Find From Korean To English I Would Of Released My Server But I Was Afraid I Would Get SUED AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO READ THE TERMS OF AGREEMENT WHEN I INSTALLED! For Crying Out Loud There Are Billions Of Servers Out There And They All Use The Same Outline But Mine I Use Erimas.exe And SQL My Own Files I Am The First Person Ever (Exept The Japan And Korea)To Make A Server But Agian At Least Give Me A Shread Of Credit Please. Because When Im Dead I Nobody Will Give A Hoot About My Hard Work I Would Like Some Credit In GunZ History... If You Do Decide To add my server my alias is OneWhoSights And my company name is ShadowGamers I Am Part Of The GunZ Unlimited Community And My Server Will Say Private As Long As I Get Poper Credit.Thanks And Please Add My Server Thanks OneWhoSightsVeriams 18:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please don't capitalize the beginning of every word - keeping everything in lowercase is better than capitalizing everything and making it harder to read. You kept the server "private", but it doesn't make it legal, like copying a DVD or a CD privately. ZFB8 might be a showoff by showing it first, but it still makes him notable, since it marked the "age of private servers" or something like that. (#1 is probably CBWhiz, #2 is MAIET, and #3 is MAIET again, or any of the numerous people who made a SQL database for Gunz. Also, most of the Gunz text is already in English, so it couldn't have been very difficult; the server files were also copied from IGunz, so the claim is false.) Making a server without a .mrs unpacker is possible as far as I know, but making one without the match server (the base of the entire Gunz server) is pretty much impossible, unless the new server were partially or completely copied from the original; however, no actual source for the Gunz server has been released by anyone, so "making it from scratch" is doubtable; anyone could also make a Gunz database with some time or some experience in SQL. For the comment about the terms of service, I'm pretty sure ZFB8 also read them, as in an agreement, I had to say that I'd also take part of the blame if the server got in trouble for any reason listed in the TOS (I got to test on it, hence the reason I have that screenshot on this article). (I don't know what Erimas.exe is, but using a program to make a server but saying that you did it from scratch is kind of...) You weren't the first person ever to do it, unless you did it in around March or so 2006, when SK's server got shut down (I'm not positive when the date was, but they definitely had a server; there were screenshots). The reason why you are not listed there is what feb wrote above. (There are also many other people who "worked hard", but they aren't notable in the sense of the article. You also spelled "OneWhoSighs" wrong, and he didn't type with all first letters of all words capitalized.) We also won't list your server or any other private servers, for many of the reasons listed by feb. --Kawufi x 20:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Despite many warnings from maiet administrators, many are still running. I actually think that maiet stopped their hunt for private servers, more private servers (not only gunz) are rising. The administrators should not give up/or stop but instead RE-ENFORCE it and punish the developers of the private servers to the fullest extent of law. I'll just want to say it is stealing of intellectual property. -Lousydot aka goodboy5
 * I'm agreeing with the OP / starter of this discussion. We should at least mention that private servers exist, but we don't need to include legal junk and we certainly don't need the names of any. We could care less if you have a new server. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup and maintenance tagging
Right now, this one looks to be in pretty bad shape. A few things should be remembered here:
 * 1) All information should be attributable to a reliable source. "I played the game and saw that..." is specifically not a reliable source, it is original research. There seems to be a lot of that here, hence the original research tag.
 * 2) Negative information is especially subject to this restriction, as it is potentially libelous. If you're going to state that their servers got hacked, or players got screwed and didn't receive a refund, you absolutely must reliably source it. Unsourced or poorly sourced negative information shouldn't be fact tagged, it should be removed on sight.
 * 3) Articles should include reliable secondary sources-this means sources which are unaffiliated with the subject of the article. Currently, the only thing sourced is an "official website", which of course is so affiliated.
 * 4) This is an encyclopedia article-remember to write in a boring, formal, neutral tone. Right now, this looks quite a bit like a fansite. Seraphimblade 16:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm moving the Player-made game modes section to StrategyWiki, since it's pretty hard to cite any sources for it, and it reads like an instruction book too. --Kawufi x 02:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Basic Techniques Removal Debate
Keep the removal, but mention something about the techniques somewhere else. --Kawufi x 20:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, never mind. It's already listed in the introduction. --Kawufi x 20:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets just move it to Strategy Wiki Quatreryukami 20:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Already done, and I listed it under "Controls". Did it a few days ago :D --Kawufi x 01:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * hehehe...sorry.Quatreryukami 17:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Numerous Edits
I've made numerous edits, and added comments, please refer to the comments for explanation. Feel free to discuss here. Thanks. --OdinReborn 20:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't do this...
"The name "Korean-Style" was named after Korea[citation needed], where the first localized GunZ server was located [7]. Korean-Stylers must use swords or kodachis."

Despite the fact the sentence was slapped with a citation tag, it is well-known that the term "Korean-Style" was created from the character named Korean, who is better-known as Kraise. --Antoshi~! T 13:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * oic. either way, it's going to be impossible to cite, since the official forums are down for eternity and all. --Kawufi x 14:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Then it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. ='( --Notmyhandle 15:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It is rather common knowledge that K-style came to ijji through Kraise, however. It should be in Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.175.242 (talk) 23:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * This is absurd. K-style is a way of playing. It does not need a "who did it". That's like introducing who the first person to beat Super Mario was. It's hardly encyclopedic content, as it could easily have been duplicated. Ask almost any K-styler on any server and they won't know anything about this "Kraise" person. They'll reply, quite truthfully, that they figured most of it out themselves. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Private Server Image
I think that the Private Server image should have the chat text censored out. It is irrelevant, and not needed (And could just add confusion) --OdinReborn 17:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * kk, doing it in five seconds. --Kawufi x 19:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. --OdinReborn 14:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Tags and citations: Ridiculous
I just glanced back on this article, and I'm finding all these tags and "citations needed" unnecessary and foolish. It looks like someone is either trying to snowball the article or just ran around randomly tagging statements. Let me go through each one and explain myself.

"Fan site" tag: When I look at this tag, I think "Why?" This article is clearly written in a non-praising, formal tone (I just went back and read the whole thing and found nothing really out of line).

"Primary sources" tag: This one is a bit tricky to get rid of, but see my reasoning below.

Citation on "released in June 2005": I saw the little notes there. If OdinReborn reads this, what does Brazil Gunz have to do with the fact the statement is for International Gunz? As well, it's common knowledge by older players (myself included) that International Gunz was released in June 2005. If Odin's comment that "2006 is far too early" is referencing International Gunz, that is clearly incorrect.

Citation on "people using Korean-Style were often considered to be cheating": This one boggles me. How can you cite a source on an opinion?

Citation on "The name "Korean-Style" was named after the player "Korean"": I can't remember if I entered this statement or not. Once again, this is common knowledge throughout the experienced Gunz players community. The only thing I can dig up for a citation on this is an old replay of Korean teaching K-Style techniques, however, this statement is true, and I don't feel it needs a citation.

Citation on "GunZ networking system": This is the one where I started thinking these were incorrectly placed. Once again, this is common knowledge about players connecting to each other rather than to a server.

I cannot understand why these tags and citations have been placed. The simple truth is that these statements can be backed up by people who have knowledge of the game, however finding sources for them will be near-impossible, because they're either in other languages, much too old to cite, or would have to get the statement from the creators of the game. So to the people who added these tags or at least agree with them, please discuss. --Antoshi~! T 18:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem is that there needs to be proof that these facts are true, even if it's common knowledge that they are. --Kawufi x 17:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct, Kawufix. But won't this be aufully hard to cite? MAIET, or Ijji for that matter, would never credit a single player with creation of a style. But what other sources are available? No official sources, no way in hell. Unless we can get a statement from a a producer/staff member. Quatreryukami 01:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

"Citation on "released in June 2005": I saw the little notes there. If OdinReborn reads this, what does Brazil Gunz have to do with the fact the statement is for International Gunz? As well, it's common knowledge by older players (myself included) that International Gunz was released in June 2005. If Odin's comment that "2006 is far too early" is referencing International Gunz, that is clearly incorrect." No, I wasn't referring to International GunZ.

Secondly, it doesn't matter if it's knowledgable within the GunZ community, or anyone else. If one cannot provide a viable and relevant source to a piece of information, then the citation tag is needed. Not everyone is going to look on Ijji.com or GunZFactor for the "knowledable" information. It needs to be cited whether you like it or not. I'm putting back some of the original 'Citation Needed' if any were taken off. --OdinReborn 17:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Citations are needed when things could be doubted, not just to have citations. Look at today's featured article: "Steven Paul "Elliott" Smith (August 6, 1969 – October 21, 2003) was an American singer-songwriter and musician. His primary instrument was the guitar, but he was also proficient at piano, clarinet, bass, harmonica and drums." Not a single citation in the first two sentences, why? Because they aren't needed. They're common knowledge facts. Look at any major articles, and look for things that are common knowledge. They don't need to be cited unless there's a possibility that the statement is untrue/NPOV, which this doesn't seem to be. -- Phoeba WrightOBJECTION! 09:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Help with changing references
A suggestion by User:Notmyhandle (and it would have to be done eventually anyway): instead of just using direct links, use Template:Cite web and to cite sources (I'm adding a reference section now). --Kawufi x 02:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, changed all the links on the page, but I probably did something wrong or forgot something when doing it. --Kawufi x 02:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding NAGunZ being confused as Global GunZ
Yes, I added that into the article, and thanks for editing it up.

I will try to get something up to prove that it's true a GM confirmed it. I actually confirmed it with an ijji staff through PM, so I can't just link.

--MrJacky 13:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The term "flipping"
The term "flipping" is not used by the publisher and the producer, at the various official sites of GunZ.

Someone might want to rephrase them with those used at GunZOnline.com, but add what they are commonly known as, like "stun (aka flip)". --MrJacky 13:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As commented, in the introduction, flipping refers to wall jumping (which has a flip in it), not the secondary attack function of swords or kodachis, because it's in a list of examples of "exaggerated, gravity-defying action moves" (and launching someone with a sword doesn't come to mind when someone says "flip"). In game, flipping does refer to the secondary attack, but it doesn't need to be put here, since it's basically part of what was moved from this article to strategywiki. --Kawufi x 14:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the term "secondary" or "special attack" is used for that particular motion. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability?
I read through the notability guidelines, and this article currently doesn't actually meet them... The problem is, the majority of the "notability" about GunZ (it having its own section on a Korean TV show, official GunZ tournaments and stuff) is all in Korean. --Kawufi x 22:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as links are provided in the article, I don't think there's a problem with them. DarkSaber2k 22:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * | A YouTube video of GunZ on TV. I'm not sure how to add it into the article, and it's probably not the best way to note something about it; if an editor that could read Korean could go to the GameWaple/NetMarble sites and search around for information about GunZ tournaments and the TV show, that'd be helpful. --Kawufi x 19:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

If it has notability in korea, it's notable. Wikipedia has no borders. Just source some korean papers covering it. I'm removing the notability tag, I agree with the citing sources tag though -- Phoeba WrightOBJECTION! 04:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm re-adding the notability tag. Please remove it only when notability has actually been asserted in the article. At the moment, the article makes the game sound no different from a dozen other games. If it's got a TV show, try mentioning that, or working in some information from the (still awaited) sources. DarkSaber2k 08:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Still need someone who knows Korean to go and hunt down GunZ information, preferably before the article gets deleted; Babelfish just isn't good enough, since it can't translate pictures. --Kawufi x  21:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

PM Me if you find anything useful; I'm fluent in Korean but I'm much too lazy to be digging up things for something so trivial. I mean, come on, notability? But if WP must have, WP must get.. Ryuugaki (talk) 19:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Korean-Style, npov?
I think it's pretty neutral, but please discuss. --Kawufi x 19:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It's generally neutral, but it's getting borderline bias. --OdinReborn 19:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I rewrote edited it. To the editor who deleted it: please discuss before removing a section. --Kawufi x 19:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It might need some sources too to confirm some game mechanics or something too :\ --Kawufi x 19:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Gunzforumlogo.jpg
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The Ongoing death of GunZ
I think there should be some information about the ongoing death of GunZ. The community overall has been spinning downward for quite some time now. It should be included. --Shade11 | ( Talk ) 04:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

See WP:OR -- lucid 04:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

How has it been spiraling downwards, exactly? The community has always been not so great anyway. --Kawufi x 01:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought ijji was doing a pretty okay job of returning the hype. 116.14.33.121 12:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It didn't seem to get any better. A lot of people can't even stand GunZ anymore. It's mostly because of the community. --Shade11 | ( Talk  •  contribs ) 19:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The community was always about the same. --Kawufi x 01:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't bother putting anything about this. It really isn't encyclopedic, as well as the fact that it isn't interesting and may not be true. --The F50 Man 18:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget to edit out Names in Screenshots
I'm too lazy to photoshop the picture "You get wings when you level up" blocking out the name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gunz012.jpg Someone do it pl0x or even remove it? kthx bye I didn't make the picture, btw. What I'm asking is someone remove the picture or edit out the name? --BrianAndBrian 00:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

MALWARE IN GunzInstaller.EXE?
WENT TO WIKIPEDIA TO LOOK THIS UP AND ITS NOT THERE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.17.249 (talk) 06:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? If there is malware in the GunzInstaller.exe then it probably is an unofficial download that has been tampered with. Shameen 16:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Daggers Inferior to Swords?
It says (in Korean-Style and Gameplay) that "However, the dagger cannot be used to block, and cannot cancel a stab animation by switching to another weapon, limiting its usefulness in comparison to using a sword." The dagger is not less useful than the sword. In fact, the dagger can do certain things that a sword can't. A dagger can cancel a dash with a stab much more effectively than a sword. A sword-user has to wait for the slash to finish. A stab cancels a dash almost instantly. There are many moves that display this. Two, for instance, are Reverse Flash and Yoyo Quarter. Both are moves invented by Slap, a famous D-styler. Search up the moves on Gunzfactor for proof.

Reverse Flash: Dash-> Stab-> Jump-> Dash-> Stab-> Dash. If this move is done correctly, it will look like 3 mid-air dashes. (The first stab must cancel the first dash as soon as possible)

Yoyo Quarter: Jump+Switch to Gun-> Dash-> Shoot-> Switch to dagger-> Dash-> Stab-> Dash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.175.242 (talk) 23:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The "use" referred to in the article pertains to K-styling. Ryuugaki (talk) 06:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The_§ic
The_§ic, also to be titled as the most influential clan of all time in GunZ...will not be taken lightly. Their continued spread of philosophy is the glue that holds GunZ together. Our multiple sites and Trophy of 3 continuous years of service more than qualify has corruption of the minds of youngins across the Globe. We have established our §ickening philosophy In America, Great Britian, mexico, Canada, Holland, Germany, Austrailia, The phillippines, Brazil, Sweeden, Poland, and parts of India. How can you honestly Deny the fact that perhaps that there are children right now in another country discovering new ways to solve problems, to defeat people intelligently instead of physically...Perhaps our members shall one day become political figures. Or perhaps Soldiers in an army completely ready for team training missions in a special ops unit of a military faction. Then again, countless profanities have been wasted on us online for our "noobish" tactics, and pointless arguments started over just the mere mention of our name in-game. The cause unknown, we turn to our Philosophy for answer. We care not for the unjust nature of the many, for they could never comprehend who and why we are the way we are. Its just ridiculous the slanderous methods that people have used to describe us. We have done so much for the GunZ community, and the thanks we get is being made into the Martyr. Across nations we are hated for our many sayings and quotes. We are damned in any language. Shall I continue? If you need more information...go to www.freewebs.com/thesic. most of the players online know it anyways. But by all means- if you don't believe me, go into a server and find out for yourself. If you can pinpoint 10 clans out of the thousands that are in that game that ACTUALLY LIKE US...you'll get a shiny nickel From Myself. But trust me, i've collected ALOT of nickles waiting for that day. GunZ will go offline before that happens. Lord Parabola (talk) 06:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That's all well and nice, but WP is not for clan advertising. Ryuugaki (talk) 19:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

GunZ Revolution
GunZ Revolution is also a great resource for those interested in GunZ Online. It should be right underneath GunZ Factor because it has a lot of stuff GunZ Factor doesn't.

GunZ Revolution —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.220.127 (talk) 18:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Whether or not it's more complete, GunzFactor is the more recognized place. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Stop Adding Korean.
If the text fails to cite references, you delete the unsupported text. "Common knowledge" is known as "original research" here at WP, and is shunned. You're right, by my logic there's no way it can be "proved" this "Korean" invented K-style. I have solid "proof" from over 50 kGunz players that they have never heard of this "Kraise" person, but because I am not shoving it into the article precisely the reason that I am deleting the comment about Korean creating (or even having a hand in introducing) and will continue to do so in the future- NO CITATIONS TO RELIABLE SOURCES. The only way that the comment about Kraise will be let back on is if you have a signed notice from an IJJI or MAIET official that says so. Otherwise, consider yourself invited to an edit war. I am right and you are wrong. Bahbo. Ryuugaki (talk) 20:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

About Korean
Korean brought K-Style to IGUNZ, end of story. He invented K-Style on IGUNZ in a sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.107.191 (talk) 21:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Proof? Besides, he did NOT invent it. Even if this 'Korean' made it popular in IGunz, all the techniques can be easily reproduced without prior knowledge or outside help. End discussion about this already; until you have solid proof, every attempt to readd that tidbit to the article will be aggressively removed, justified by WP:REF. Ryuugaki (talk) 06:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Yet nobody did. I was there, I saw it happen. There is no log for GunZ, so quit trying to ask proof for every single thing. Korean brought it to IGUNZ, nobody said he invented it. It's public knowledge - if you don't know that, what kind of GunZ player are you? A Quest newb? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.107.191 (talk) 00:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Protected the Article
Just wanted to let the editors of this article know that I have semi-protected it for 3 weeks due to the recurrent vandalism, point-of-view edits, and insertion of hoax information. If you are an anonymous or new user that is unable to edit the article, you may request an established user to make an edit by placing the request on this talk page.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 16:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)