Talk:Gun (Chinese mythology)

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http://www.imperialchina.org/Xia_Shang_Dynasties.html Source

It is further believed that Gun was not executed but came to the America's where he became known as Huang Xiong or the American Brown Bear. His name also apparently means "black fish"

Quote From Source The name 'Xia', alternatively speaking, came from the title of Count Xia that Lord Yu received from Lord Yao as conferral of land in Yangdi. Yangdi or Yangcheng could be in Shanxi Prov or in Henan prov. In today's Dengfeng Municipality of Henan Prov, to the centerfold south of both Luoyang and Zhengzhou and further to the south of Dengfeng, there would be a Yu-zhou city, with Lord Yu's name inscribed. Scholar Liu Qiyu pointed out that it was not Lord Yu but Lord Yu's son Qi who would make Xia capital in Henan Prov after crossing the Yellow River to defeat the You-hu-shi Dong-yi people at Gan (i.e., today's Zhenzhou of Henan prov). Compromising theory would be to point out that 'yang' also meant for 'tang' in ancient times, and hence Yangcheng or Yangdi would be still located north of the Yellow River, somewhere in southern Shanxi Prov. Tian Changwu, the editor of "Hua Xia Civilization" anthology, compromised the issue of Lord Yu's point of origin by stating that Xia people might have two tribes, with i) father Gun developing in southern Shanxi Prov where they were previously subordinate to Lord Yao and ii) the son Lord Yu developing in western Henan Prov by means of an alliance with Lord Zhuanxu's tribe. Lord Yu, per Tian Changwu, adopted 'xuan yu' (snakeheaded fish, i.e., black fish) as the totem and developed in today's Dengfeng-Yuxian areas of western Henan Prov while his father Gun continued with the dragon totem. Tian Changwu further stated that Lord Yu's tribe would later absorb his father's native Xia people in southern Shanxi Prov. (The character 'Gun' was a combination of two words: black and fish. Senior scholar Wei Chu-Hsien pointed out that ancient Gun legends in "Shan Hai Jing" implied a possible migration of Gun people to American continents since Gun's body, after his execution death on feather mountain, turned into 'huang xiong' [American Brown Bear] in the water. More about Wei Chu-Hsien's research into ancient Chinese linkage to America is temporarily uploaded to ming.htm page)

Source quoted in the article for a direct link http://www.imperialchina.org/Ancient_America.shtml#BrownBear

Quote secondary source...

I picked up Prof Wei's book again and found out that Prof had listed abundant written texts, from ancient Chinese chronicles, about the existence of i) 'Deep Sea Valley' beyond Japan, ii) 'Feather Mountain' island in possibly Pacific Northeast, iii) 'Brown Bear' stories, and iv) the Redwood Trees. Prof Wei had citations of dozens of entries about the Redwood Tree, which was known to Chinese as the 'Fu-sang' in Chinese texts prior to BC eras. Apparently, ancient Chinese in AD eras, i.e., Monk Hui-shen of 5th century, had mutated the ancient term 'Fu-sang' to mean something different from the Redwood tree. Prof Wei Juxian validated that though America had no iron, ancient Peruvians had imported iron from ancient China for cutting the stones for the palace construction. Also, Prof Wei Juxian validated ancient Chinese texts [prior to BC eras] as to the abundance of silver and gold in ancient America that the American natives did not treasure the metals as recorded in "Liang Shu"

The article needs beefed up but I don't wish to edit someone elses work without someone examining this first who may have more information. The information does include speculation and myth but so does the original article posted here at Wiki.

Hopefully, someone else with more experience will look into this and post more information to this article as Gun is actually a very interesting topic.

In addition, the story of Gun mentions giant redwood trees and a mythological land to the east called Fu Sang which this Wiki article addresses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusang While the question of Fusang is thought to be dead, the distance from China under the Xia and the America's makes it possible and it's been noted that Liang Shu called it a country. It is also possible that different places have been thought to be Fusang so that people are talking about different places where the America's might have been one of these.

Another article with more information on Gun http://books.google.com/books?id=tUwTxocaOGsC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=Supreme+Divinity+gun+china&source=bl&ots=WNgNEAlNIP&sig=7hnd1pthLjR8Ar3uDd8K659SYuU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Rc3KT7PEJZCy8QTj8NnvDg&ved=0CFYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Supreme%20Divinity%20gun%20china&f=false

Again, sorry I didn't edit this myself but this is a stub for one of the most popular heroes in Chinese history and I don't know how to edit to make it a full article.

(Armorbeast (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC))