Talk:Gun Kata

Edit History
A portion of the edit history of this article is contained at Gun-Kata (now a redirect).

Inspiration
The Japanese article on the subject contains a list of movies and games where techniques similar to and most likely inspired by Gun Kata are used. Maybe someone could create a similar list in English?.. I would have done it myself, but unfortunately, of the items on the list I've watched only MADLAX (first 16 episodes), so I cannot validate the other ones. --Koveras 12:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Shadow Hearts from the New World
I dont remember the guy's name but he sure uses Gun-Kata to do his tricks

edit: -- found the name its Natan

unfortunately i dont know much about the game so i cant post my finding

someone plz check it (i saw it at the xplay review of the game in g4tv)


 * Well, according to the official site of the game, Natan calls his technque gun fu, and gun fu is not gun kata. :) But in any case, I don't know anything about the game... --Koveras [[Image:Flag of Russia.svg|25px]] 15:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Gun Kata in Ultraviolet
I don't recall any refrences to Gun Kata in Ultraviolet, and the styles did not look similar to me -- at least, no more similar than any two post-Matrix Hong Kong-influenced action films with gun violence that ascribe superhuman abilities to their protagonists. Has Wimmer made explicit a link between the two films in any location we can cite? --JackofSpades 05:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Gun_Kata below. --DrHacky (talk) 03:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Gun Kata or trick-shooting
Went ahead and cleaned off the examples that are only superhumanly good trick-shooting instead of actual gun kata or something close to it. Feel free to revert if it doesn't fit.

Remove the last section talking about "Traditional" Gun battles always being unpredictable. If this was true a lot more terrorists and hostage situations would go sour. There are also plently of warfare techniques that involved effectively throwing away cover/concealment, I.E. Kamikaze, Spray and Pray, rushing enemy positions and in many instances blind firing and covering fire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.32.146 (talk) 23:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is everything gun kata?
Just because an astonishing amount of enemies are taken down in a proximity encounter does NOT make it a "homage" to gun-kata. If so, why aren't we calling every romantic tragedy fiction a homage to Shakespeare? Taken in consideration that "avoid returning fire" and "efficiently attack your targets". I personally have never heard of any earnest form of combat where "Do not avoid returning fire" and "Inefficiently attack your targets" is promoted. "Many critics stated that it bears striking resemblance to the first gunfight scene" Who are these "critics"? Otaku's on an anime fanatic forum? Then why isn't Alucard's first gunfight in Hellsing considered "gun-kata"? Afterall he did take down numberous zombies whilst STATIONARY without being hit once, and the manga was out long before equilibrium. I'm removing this section, it's hollywood, and its "influences" are too far-fetched and superficial
 * Reverted deletion. Not sure why the fact it's "Hollywood" has any bearing on it's worthiness of inclusion.  If anything it would make it more relevant seeing as this article is about a trend/device/technique used in cinema, and not an actual martial art or fighting system.  I agree that there should be citations for each of these supposed homages or derivatives of Gun Kata though. - 85.210.50.135 17:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Is it pronounced gun kaytuh or gun kattuh? Or gun cot-tuh?
 * Kah-tah. 'Kata' is a Japanese word. Two syllables, 'ka' with a short 'a' sound, 'ta' with a short 'a'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.63.0.36 (talk) 07:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

IFL
Please be wary as to the contents of this section; for example, M.A. Sotelo could not have been a former IFL fighter in 2001, because the IFL wasn't formed until 2006. This alone calls the validity of the entire article into question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.15.56.239 (talk • contribs)


 * The statement in question does not state that M.A. Sotelo was a former IFL fighter in 2001. It states that Juu Kun Do was founded in 2001.  The word former refers to the current context. Gabhala 23:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Tag removal
I removed the tags because the two first sentences of the article state very clearly that Gun Kata is a martial art belonging to a fictional universe without any doubt possible. There are tons of articles about any kind of fictional weapons or techniques from animes and movies; let's give this one a chance. Icitonpere 02:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Do not put an OR tag on this article. Currently, all sections of the article are either directly quoted from the movie itself/supplemental material included with the movie, direct description of the events from the movie, or properly cited. Being that the movie itself is a Primary Source and the article is about a fictional device from the movie, a secondary source is not needed. This is not Original Research. This was covered in the discussion for deletion that occurred over a year ago. Keep the tag off. X Kolchak X (talk) 11:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Paragraph 78
There is also Gun Kata scene in a Russian movie Paragraph 78 (part 2): Director Mikhail Khleborodov confirmed that the gunfighting style used by future marines is an "improved" version of Gan Kata - a futuristic martial art invented by Kurt Wimmer for Equilibrium (2002) and Ultraviolet (2006) — see IMDb trivia — DenCA 02:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Merger with Gun fu
I strongly disagree that a merge should occur. The gun fu article is all but original research, and while this article may be in need of sourcing as well, "gun kata" (as well as the term) has made its way into two movies (Equilibrium and  Ultraviolet). I have searched extensively on Google, and have not yet found the term "gun fu" used in anything resembling a reputable third-party source. I specifically looked for interviews with John Woo and related directors and found nothing. In any case, I also looked for a consensus to merge and found none. -FrankTobia (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have any citations which shows that Ultraviolet is actually Gun Kata? It appears to have been asked before and no citation for it provided. If one cannot be provided, I would like to remove that as it would be original research. A DVD commentary, an interview, anything. I just can't bring myself to sit through Ultraviolet again to look for it. Slavlin (talk) 01:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You may be right about Ultraviolet. My first foray into looking for sources led me to believe that "gun kata" was more widely used than it is, but right now it looks like the term only applies to Equilibrium. I'm still hesitant about a merger, though, since at least Gun Kata is used in one movie. I couldn't find any reliable sourcing for the term "gun fu," though I wouldn't mind being proven wrong on this point as well. -FrankTobia (talk) 00:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I really don't care myself if it is a separate article from Gun fu, but if it is not really in Ultraviolet, I think it should probably be merged with Equilibrium instead and remove references to Ultraviolet. Slavlin (talk) 05:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Gun Kata in Ultraviolet
The reference to gun kata being in Ultraviolet was removed as being unsourced, which is fair enough. If it helps, I seem to recall that the moves in Ultraviolet were called gun kata in one of the DVD extras, perhaps an interview with Wimmers. I don't have the DVD with me but someone else could check if needed. If it wasn't actually termed gun kata, a point could still be made that the Ultraviolet form was supposed to be an improvement on what was in Equilibrium. --DrHacky (talk) 03:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)