Talk:Gundagai lore

I have created a separate page for specific section of the Gundagai artical related to Aboriginal lore, cutoms, and spiritual phenomena, as this material, while itself in need of close editing, is too specific for an encyclopedic article on the town of Gundagai.Garyvines (talk) 01:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

More Vandalism
Vines put a heap of content here that was not Aboriginal content so I removed it. vines need to stop messing wiki up and to display more respect for culture rather than be claiming then publishing non Aboriignal content as Aboriginal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.225.47 (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Tribes
Vines, why do you keep using the term 'tribes'? Its inappropriate. Next you will be putting 'hordes'. Use 'clan or family group'. These first Gundagai people were not some delayed development bunch of savages as your use of the word 'tribe' suggests. In fact the Gundagai group, (clan name known but withheld), were doing geological sequencing well before any archaeologist invented it and likely were doing that for 1000s years before the 19thC rolled around. The only tribe at Gundagai is the local football team. The Gundagai Aboriginal people were/are a clan group based on locality who spoke the Wiradjuri language and that language stretched a long way west, north and NW. At Gundagai too there was a cross over of language because of the near proximity of the Walgu and Ngario but the ceremonial sites here were and are Wiradjuri/Ngunawaal. It is obvious too there was a wider fraternity of association that went from Gundagai to the coast of Arnhem Land given a near summersalt I had a senior elder in AL almost do in front of me when I drew 'Gundagai'. No hard to guess what I drew after he asked (via the two females) where I was from. Polish up your cultural phrasing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.138.154.174 (talk) 06:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The Article Title
The title of this article needs to be changed to something such as 'Gundagai Aboriginal and landscape lore'. Vines' title claims the content is all of Aboriginal culture, when it isnt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.221.187 (talk) 23:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC) le

Article Title
Garyvines has at last put a link to here but he needs to modify the article title that he created and take the word 'Aboriginal' out of it. Also, when garyvines vandalised all the content I put on the Gundagai article page and took half and put on this page here that he created only the title and a few words of, he also created several spelling errors where previously there were none, that he needs to fix. Johneen Jones - Gundagai.

Article Title Gary Vines
Gary Vines, you are a qualified archaeologist. Arent you also the Vic ICOMOS rep? You created this page here when you took half of the content I put on the Gundagai article page, created a new page here then put my content on it. ONLY YOU can change the title of the page here. The title you have is totally inappropriate and really, discourteous to Aboriginal culture and is also not appropriate to any style of Gundagai monument which this article page is.

I have asked you previously can you change the title of the page for here. You ignore that. I ask again. One suggestion is you call the article page for here 'Gundagai Genius Loci' or 'Gundagai Spirit of Place' if you check 'spirit of place' meaning on wiki, (or try the UN site for it).

Johneen Jones — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.138.156.115 (talk) 04:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

About Time
I don't believe you changed the title of the article page at last. You can edit the entire page out of existence if you like as its served the purpose of why I put that Trove Gundagai content online altogether in one spot. Your perspective for a wider story telling landscape is amiss too re the spirit dog, the Dog on the Tuckerbox and Krypton that are all the one mirrijuga dog. You don't understand it though, do you. Wider world in those days Garyvines that told of how the world began, not the blinkered out of ethical existence many live in in 2012.

These days Gundagai wants to put carbon saving swathes of trees through the amazing small circle that is very large, (I am not sure what environment nsw is doing re that), so that is the brains trust that prevails in the local and south-eastern oz areas re archaeological sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.225.41 (talk) 22:39, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Nytend Slander
Nytends carries on on one of the recent edit summaries about the 'IP hopping editor'. That is higly slanderous. I am on dial-up Internet with the one IP (Internet Provider) for the last many many years. However, my IP number does change each time I log on because of my dial up connection. Stop making false lieing claims on wikipedia about people Nytend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.225.95 (talk) 10:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Most of this article is rubbish. This Johneen Jones has added all these so called "spiritual" references relating to Gundagai which is not fact but fantastical fiction!!! None of the other country towns in NSW have a "lore" page, so why does Gundagai (especially when there is no basis in fact). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.101.68.163 (talk) 10:14, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I am happy for this to go to AfD, or others to edit and split out any useful material. This content was placed here initially to cleanup the main Gundagai Article without causing another edit war.Garyvines (talk) 01:56, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Gary Vines Put This Page Here
Gary Vines put this page here ages back so why is he now planning on taking himself to AfD? I told him when he put the page here that I did not mind at all if he deleted this article page titled 'Gundagai Lore' then along comes this abusive anonymous honcho above, carrying on about the page and wanting Gary Vines to assist in getting rid of it. The page has been cloned allover so it really is redundant re wiki. Just a note anonymous honcho, ICOMOS recognise folklore as credible source of history and I did say a prayer for you last night so I hope it works. The page content is not "spiritual as you claim, but cultural specific to place i.e Gundagai, the best and most interesting town in the world. There is a song called 'The Grand Old Hills of Gundagai' that at first glance seems to be about a little old grey haired woman but the train in the song is about the quakes that rattle through here that metamorphose into the Washer at the Ford', so beware.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.22.216 (talk) 08:00, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

No other country town in Australia has the iconic status of Gundagai. That iconic status is about the local lore that has been partly changed from Aboriginal stories to some European style yarns. On the cover of the documents that relate to that map page I sent you a copy of Gary Vines, is the Aboriginal name of an iconic landform that is the daughter of that other huge landscape feature. That other huge landscape feature has been placed online by an Aboriginal Elder so it is newly reinserted into the massive cultural story and I am really pleased and proud of that as it was me re-introducted that Aboriginal Elder to one of their high gods that lives at Gundagai. That Elder would not have put it online unless that Elder was very sure of it all as to do so without legitimacy would not bode well. Its easy to work out for anyone familiar with Australia's ancient story but for the unaware and many times, badly educated pratts that imagine that Australia began in 1788, its all foreign to them so they chuck brat like hissy fits in lieu. So funny but sad too. Johneen Jones — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.113.30 (talk) 10:43, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Coolac Massacre Remains location
The Coolac Massacre remains were placed in an area on the western side of the Hume Hwy, just south of Coolac, named 'Happy Valley'. I was informed where they were when the Coolac Bypass was happening by a Coolac resident who gleaned her information from talk at the Coolac pub that happened when the Coolac Hume Hwy Bypass was happening and talk about the massacre was being spruiked at that pub. When I was told where the remains had been put I let local and area Aboriginal people who were registered in the archaeological survey of the area with me, know. I also let the RTA now RMS (the NSW road authority), know and the archaeologists doing the survey. One well known senior Aboriginal Elder, not from Gundagai, went to the burial area with his son. My informant told me that that 'Happy Valley' area still has a lot of native ferns and other native vegetation there so it has been left largely undisturbed. I know the area between 'Mingay' and Coolac to be part of the old Coorangarangula land holding as noted in the Crown Land Records for the Gundagai area. The Warbys had residency in the masscare era as did a few others and these are the same Warbys who are going to attempt to break their family's own Water speed record soon as Ken Warby set that record 40 or so years ago on Blowering Dam near Tumut, NSW. John Warby, the father of Ben and William Warby who were at Mingay/Coolac in the 1830s, was the Crown wild cattle manager, managing those Cowpastures herds that had escaped into the Wilds of NSW. Those 'Wilds' likely extended far beyond the Burragorang Valley. I was nudged to make the Massacre Remains location public as above after the informant walked past me in Gundagai last Friday. We disclose all this other content and even the massacre is disclosed in the significant and culturally important Gundagai poems and songs in their own allegorical manner but the human remains of Aboriginal children women and men, the victims from that dreadful event, get assigned to anonymity. Aboriginal people and their sacred gravesites whether they were murdered or died of natural causes, are no less important than the gravesites of my own UK origin Protestants. Johneen Treanor Jones - Gundagai — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.190.18.170 (talk) 01:15, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

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