Talk:Guns N' Roses/Archive 1

From the older "Guns 'n Roses" page:

Both "Guns 'n Roses" and "Guns n' Roses" are used on this page. Which is right? AK

I'm wondering if some or all of this entry was lifted from a review somewhere.Stormwriter


 * It's way too chatty, sloppy and misspelled for that (or for an encyclopedia article). Ortolan88

Too true. Perhaps I'll work on it, if I can generate enough willpower to do so. Stormwriter


 * Done it. Never hurts to exercise your editing skills.

It says a lot about GnR that the NME introduced Nirvana on their front cover in the early 1990s as "The guns n Roses it's OK to like". have we got the "'n'" / "'n" / blah right, BTW? Oh, wait, do we care? ;-) -- Tarquin 16:43 Nov 5, 2002 (UTC)


 * Not really, sadly enough. I used to kinda like GNR. Stormwriter

Axl Rose took his name as an anagram of Oral Sex
 * He always said it was just a coincedence. Saul Taylor 08:13, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Other encyclopaedias list it as Guns n' Roses, not Guns 'n Roses. Would there be any objection to change it? Iam 01:42, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)

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I really don't care which title it ends up as, but please don't just duplicate the articles. RadicalBender 04:40, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Amazon lists the name of the band as "Guns N' Roses" (capital "N") - I think that's what should be used. RadicalBender 04:42, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't have duplicated the article had you not reverted my original edit so quickly. Because you reverted it, I couldn't move the article so had to by pass it by paste and copy. And yes I do care about the title. We're meant to be an encyclopaedia. The information presented to the public has to be correct. There was a discussion about the the capital N in the title months ago, on and off wikipedia. Because the N' represents "and" it apparently should be in lower case as it's not a proper noun. If you think Guns N' Roses is better by all means please change it. Iam 04:47, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. Let me see if I can figure out a way to move it (I really would prefer to keep the history intact).  I'll leave it at lowercase for now, but Amazon lowercases other bands that use prepositions and articles in their titles (e.g., "The Presidents of the United States of America").  Either way, it doesn't matter that much to me.  I won't lose any sleep over it... RadicalBender 04:51, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * I agree that the n should not be capitalized, as it is a conjunction. That leaves Guns and Roses (which can be eliminated as a title because it is definitely not correct) or Guns 'n Roses (versus the present Guns n' Roses).  I don't really care if the apostrophe is before or after the n, but I think it looks better before. Tuf-Kat 04:53, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)


 * OK, moved. Had to delete the other page temporarily to do it, but everything points here now, I think.  RadicalBender 04:56, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * As far as the apostrophe argument goes, their latest DVD has the title as "Guns n' Roses" as well (although as all caps, so who knows on the capitalization thing). RadicalBender 04:58, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * The correct form is "Guns n' Roses". See the cover of "Live Era '87-'93", for example. Amazon also spell it this way. --Auximines 17:02, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Regarding the origin of the name: The article states that "Roses" comes from "Hollywood Roses". Just a coincidence that the lead singer's name is "Rose", then? --Auximines 17:05, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The names are not coincidental, Axl Rose's name was Bill (William) Bailey, he was born in Lafayette, Indiana 6th Feb 1962. He was raised by his mum Sharon Bailey and L. Stephen Bailey who Axl thought was he dad until he was 17. When he found out his real dad was William Rose, he changed his name to "W Rose" He didn't use the full William name, just the 'W'(Issues with his father, sexual abuse and a whole lot of nasty stuff).

Anyway so W Rose went off to L.A., he hooked up with another guy from Lafayette, Jeff Isbell (Better known as Izzy Stradlin) and W Rose, Izzy Stradlin and a guitarist called Chris Weber created a band called 'AXL'. The band failed and W Rose took the name 'Axl' for himself (Back in the 80's having a 'cool' name was quite important) So thats where we get Axl Rose from.

Axl, Izzy and Weber stuck together though and a new band, 'Rose'(most likely named after Axl Rose) was formed, and then they changed their name to 'Hollywood Rose' they fell apart. Axl Rose then joined a band called 'LA. Guns', who was headed by Tracii Guns. Izzy went off and joined some other band for a while, I think it was 'London' or something, it had Nikki Sixx in it. Nothing came from these diversions so Axl, Izzy and Weber staged a come-back as 'Hollywood Rose', Weber left and Tracii Guns from 'LA Guns' came in, although they were still called 'Hollywood Rose' at this time. They were not anything special. They combined names late in 1985, Hollywood Rose + LA Guns = Guns N' Roses (I use a capital N', don't know which one is right, but I've seen more capital N's then small n's)

There was another band called 'Road Crew' which had only two members, Steven Adler on drums and Saul (Slash) Hudson on guitar, they were high school friends. They were not really a proper band, just a couple of kids messing around, Slash played for a number of other bands in L.A. at the time but always ended up back with Steven Adler. Slash even tried out for Gun's N' Roses but Axl said he wasnt good enough at the time.

And now Michael 'Duff' McKagen enters the scene. He lived in Seattle I think, and this was back before the Grunge era, so any musician found it hard to get work, so Duff moved down to L.A, he played with a few people and ended up meeting Slash, they played a bit but Duff didnt think 'Road Crew' were serious so he joined Guns N' Roses on bass.

And now we have another band merger... Duff had contacts in the Rock world and managed to arrange a small tour, but at the last minute Tracii Guns and the drummer at the time (Rob Gardner) couldnt be bothered to play out of town, so instead of cancelling Duff said that Road Crew should fill in, so Slash and Adler learned the G'N'R set in two days and joined them on the tour, there was some problems with a car breaking down or something and the first gig didn't go to well, but they managed to make a good impression somewhere and they blagged a regular monday night gig at the Troubador in Santa Monica Boulevard. Slash and Adler realised that 'Road Crew' were never going anywhere and joined Guns N' Roses.

So theres a bit of band history, the names not coincidental, Axl did not choose the name Axl Rose as it was a anagram for Oral Sex, Rose was his real fathers name, he didn't like the name William or Bill and Axl was the name of a early band project that went nowhere.

Oops, forgot to sign. Kurek 01:51, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC) I could write up a more detailed article about G'N'R but I only really know about their early years, with some research though I might touch this article up.


 * In 1993, Guns n' Roses released a collection of mostly punk covers entitled The Spaghetti Incident?. This album did not match the success of the Illusion albums, due a changing musical climate. Grunge bands, such as Nirvana and Pearl Jam, became the dominant trend in rock, outselling the established rock bands.

I object to this middle sentence. It suggests that the album's only shortcoming was the "changing musical climate." I was a huge Guns N' Roses fan and I didn't buy this album because it wasn't good, not because of any "climate" change. I'm going to soften it a little, while acknowledging that the popularity of grunge could have played a role. --Feitclub 18:29, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)