Talk:Gurgenidze (noble family)

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As far as I know it was a Georgian noble family came from the southern Georgian province of Samtskhe. And this family is known more earlier than in XVIII century.--Serafita (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good point, Serafita. Ioane Bagrationi's account seems to be a bit inaccurate. I'd be very grateful if you could provide more precise info. Best, --KoberTalk 17:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Kober, at the moment I haven’t sources to quote from precise, sadly. But I can give you an information: According the inscription in the asomtavruli script on the church of Tsunda (წუნდა) the name of family of Gurgenidze is first mentioned in the 12th-century. The inscription reports that the Tsunda church was built by the hand of Ichkit-Gurgenis-dze (იჩქით გურგენის–ძე) in 12th-century. It is scientific proved. And one point must be made more precise: I wrote that it was a noble family in Samtskhe. The ancient city Tsunda belonged to Javakheti. So this noble family came from Javakheti or from Meskheti in general.--Serafita (talk) 07:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks for valuable info, Serafita. Btw, I have just looked into Cyril Toumanoff's list of Georgian nobility and found the following: "Gurgenidze... presumably descended from the Gurgenids or Khornabuzheli, Princes and Dukes of Khornabuzhi in the 11th-14th centuries." These Khornabujeli are the very same Kakhetian family as Kolonkelisdze/Makhatlisdze. It would be great if we could clarify whether the Meskhian and Kakhetian Gurgenidzes are the same family or not. Cheers, --KoberTalk 16:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. Ichkit also appears to be commemorated in the Vani caves inscription.--KoberTalk 16:13, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that’s right! Have you already seen them? As long as I have the chance I look into appropriate sources. By the way, I know the people with name Gurgenidze claim they are descendants of Racha (რაჭა). To be honest I wondered I heard about this. I hope we can clarify this issue soon and easily. Best! --Serafita (talk) 13:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)