Talk:Guringay

Jack Cook
"Another was Jack Cook Maloogat (born 1830, Cobark Station NSW, died 1925), Captain Thunderbolt's horse boy. Maloogat was also one the last of his tribe to have gone through the last known Keepara - Kiapara ceremony or Boombit (from boy to man) where he got his name (Maloogat-son of thunder). [Gloucester history society and Gloucester court house, Trove]11/04/218" This looks like it comes from personal memory. It needs a documented source.Nishidani (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Whoever put this stuff in did it with complete disregard for Wikipedia's encyclopedic aims.

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The Gringai /Guringay Have lived continually on the Barrington and Dungog area NSW long before first white settlers in 1826.Government Documents, News Papers, Photos, Journals, Aboriginal Sites, references ban be found in regards to the Gringai. The Watoo - (Opossum) of the Gringai / Guringay have lived continually in the Gloucester,Barrington long before first white settlers in 1826 Many Government Documents, news papers, photos, journals, Aboriginal sites, references and personal stories can be found on the Gringai. The Gringai are not a branch of the Wonnarua. AIATSIS reference name: Guringay

Comment: According to Wafer and Lissarrague (2008:169-170), Guringay appeared quite frequently in the early records but not in contemporary maps or lists of NSW languages. Their analsysis of Gringai (E95*) vocabulary collected by Scott (1929:44-50) and the Taree dialect, i.e. Gadhang E67* reveal that they are dialects of the same language. Wafer and Lissarrague (2008: 167 - 168) treat Gadhang (Taree dialect) E67*, Warrimay E2, Guringay (Gringai) E95*, and Birrbay E3 as dialects of one language, which they call 'Lower North Coast Language'.

Scott (1929:44-50) has a word list, and according to Lissarrague (2010:10) 'the manuscript, Vocabulary of the Allyn River Black' (Anonymous 1845) is assumed to be Guringay. The documentation score is based on this information. Not to be confused with Ku-ring-gai S62.

AIATSIS reference name: Wonnarua

Comment: Lissarrague (2006) describes the 'Language from the Hunter River & Lake Macquarie' as the language which was spoken by people known as Awabakal S66, Kuringgai S62, Wonnarua S63, and possibly Geawegal E1. In her later work with Wafer (Wafer and Lissarrague 2008:164-165), however, Wanarruwa (S63) is treated as a dialect name (or a both a dialect name and a people name) - it is a dialect of the 'Hunter River-Lake Macquarie language'.

The term, the Hunter River-Lake Macquarie language, appears to be adopted by some but not all peers, and it is not separately listed in this database.

The Australian Agriculture Company (A.A Company) formed in England in 1824 with $1M capital, took up a grant of 1,000,000 acres of land extending from Port Stephens to the Manning River. Robert Dawson established Headquarters at Carrington, Port Stephens in early 1826 explored the Karuah River and naming places he had passed along the way. He continued to follow the Karuah River north, arriving in Gloucester in November 1826. As the land appeared ideal for grazing and agriculture, early settlement was encouraged. Later an outstation at Gloucester was established where "The Homestead" is located today.

Our Clan occupied the valleys year-round, visiting the plateaus in spring and summer to gather food. During winter would hunt kangaroos, emus, possums and wombats, fish and other animals. A wide range of plant foods was collected from the lowland forests. The edible fruits found in the Barrington Tops area include: orange thorn, wild apple tree, figs, native cherry, geebung, native raspberry, lillypilly and Bush medicines. Other traditional plant foods include the bulbs of many orchids and the starch from the crown of tree ferns and the starch from stinging tree roots being roasted to make bread. When Europeans settled in the Gloucester-Manning area in the 1820s and 1830s, the Aboriginal people lost their homelands to logging, clearing and livestock. Traditional hunting grounds were depleted, and sacred sites were destroyed. Wildlife dwindled. Oral history tells us that by 1840 the natural food supplies were almost exhausted. Starving Aboriginal people began killing stock The settlers and government troopers retaliated with random shootings and massacres. Around the Manning Valley basin, there were reports of waterholes and gifts of food being laced with arsenic known as "The Harmony " the first recorded method of killing Aboriginal people with arsenic in NSW. The Worimi, Biripi and Gringai were divided into a number of Nurras or clans. Nurras were local groups within tribes, each occupying a definite part of the tribal territory. The Worimi, Gringai and Biripi speak the Kattang language.

The Gringai are the custodians within the boundaries of the Allyn and Williams river up stream to Gummi Falls on the Manning River known as Kummi Kummi - Barrington Tops – (Beann Beann), Rawdon Vale, Barrington, Gloucester up to the Manning river down to Dungog, Cresford and Worimi  from Cresford, Patterson to the Hunter River and Port Stephens up the coast to  Manning River Taree.

Barrington Tops National Park and State Conservation Area overlie the territories of several Aboriginal groups the eastern side is the traditional country of the Worimi and Biripi people. The southern valleys were occupied by the Gringai the western side is Wonnarua country. The Biripi took in the area between Tuncurry, Taree and Gloucester. Worimi territory extended from Barrington Tops and Forster in the north, to Maitland and the Hunter River in the south.

The Gringai are now very strong in numbers even after the killings and blood shed. many Gringai people still live on Country yet regardless of what history has been recorded by whites, Government and Gringai People.The use of the word Gringai has been moulded and Fashioned to suite a small minority of people.

(Filling-a-Void-Guringai) http://www.aboriginalheritage.org/wp-content/uploads/Filling-a-Void-Guringai-Language-Review-2015.pdf

http://archives.samuseum.sa.gov.au/tindaletribes/worimi.htm

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/141293638

http://muurrbay.org.au/languages/gathang/

https://coalriver.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/geford2010-darkinung-recognition-ch9.pdf Nishidani (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Who is "he"?
In the section headed "History" there is a sentence starting "He was judged guilty ...". Who does "he" refer to - Wong-ko-bi-kan (Jackey) or Charley?

Matthew C. Clarke 03:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)