Talk:Gurjar/Archive 2

Out of place info removed from demographics
I just removed the following sentences from the beginning of the "Demographics" section:

Gurjari-Raga is a ragni of the Gurjars.They were worshipper of lord Krishna as tradition tells.This ragni is sung at the time of worship viz morning. Radha, the consort of Lord Krishna was a Gurjari, belonging to village Barsana, near Mathura.

I don't know if that should be fit somewhere else into the article, but it definitely doesn't belong in the section describing the Gujjar's distribution and location. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Categories: Hindu Communities
User: Winston786 added to the article. I removed it because the article itself says that they are both Hindu and Muslim. Winston786 re-added, saying that I should just also add. I believe that this is incorrect, because it is actually factually wrong (as far as I read this article) to call the Gurjar either a "Hindu" or "Muslim" community. Rather, it is a tribe/ethnic group, whose members happen to include both Muslims and Hindus. For example, on the article People of the United States, we could conceivably add every single religious community known in the U.S., but that would be incorrect, because, as a whole, the people of the U.S. are not any one religious community. Similarly, the Gurjar are not, as a whole, a Hindu community; they contain Hindu communities, but are not one. Thus, I believe the category should be removed to more accurately reflect the Gurjar people. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Gujjars have traditionally always been Hindus, majority of them still are(about 78%). Islam and Sikh religion have come later, some Gujjars started following these religions later. Gujjar community is on of the Hindu communities coz people in this community follow Hinduism, you can have a special category(if u want to) for "Muslim community" or "Sikh community". (written by User:Winston786; I ha missed the close on a "nowiki" which made this not show up.


 * But you just said yourself that 22% of them don't follow Hinduism. So how can you say that the Gujjars, as a whole, are a "Hindi community"? It looks to me like they have a subset which are Hindu, but they are not, in their entirety, a Hindu community.  If that number were somewhere over 90%, I could see the logic in saying, "Well, they're pretty much almost all Hindus", but 78% is not quite high enough for me.  I'd like other opinions, though. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

As I said, All gujjars have traditionally always been Hindus, majority of them still are, it is a Hindu community, if a part of them have started following other religions does not mean its not one. 78%(though that number is categorized as a huge majority) or 90% or less than 50% it has been always a Hindu community i.e people from this community are followers of Hinduism. You can add "Muslim communities" or "Sikh communities" category too.Winston786 (talk) 04:32, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Apologies, but what you are saying doesn't make sense. If a sizable minority do not follow Hinduism, then it's not a Hindu community. Maybe it used to be a Hindu community, but it sounds based on both what you and the article are saying, that it no longer is. It is simply a flat out contradiction to say that 22% of them don't follow Hinduism then to say that "people from this community are followers of Hinduism."  In fact, based on your own words, only some (a majority, granted, but not an overwhelming one) are Hindus. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

You are not making any sense, apparently its a community whose majority of people are followers of Hinduism hence it is a Hindu community and i never said "some" are Hindus, majority(78% is a HUGE and clear majority) are Hindus, as I said, you can add "Muslim communities" or "Sikh communities" category too but don't delete "Hindu Community" category.Winston786 (talk) 04:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I asked at WP:Wikiproject Hinduism for some assistance here, although I don't know how active they are. Maybe it's that we're disagreeing about what "Hindu community" means. To me, a Hindu community is, by definition, one in which all or almost all of the members of the community are Hinduism. You're asserting that it means "One in which the majority of members are Hindus".  That's why, for me, it's actually impossible to add "Muslim communities", because my opinion is that the category is not meant to be added to just any group that has some number of Muslims (or Hindus, or whatever). Qwyrxian (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not saying in which "majority of members are Hindus" but in which a significant number of percentage of people are, though in this case majority are.Winston786 (talk) 05:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, I think it's ok to keep the Category:Hindu communiites.Even Brahmins have followes of Islam among them.For example see this page Muslim Tyagi.Originally all these communities, take it Gurjar, Tyagi, Rajput, Jat, Patidar and many more, were Hindus only.These communities still form a big chunk of Hindu population or we can say are the lead communities of Hindu religion.RegardsMkrestin (talk) 13:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Like Jats, this is clearly a tribal group rather than a caste group which has Hindu, Sikh and Muslim adherents, therefore it would be innappropriate to add it to Hindu Communities, as the implication is, it is solely a Hindu community. Thanks --Sikh- History 14:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Saying it once again, Gujjars have traditionally always been Hindus, majority of them still are, it is a Hindu community, if a part of them have started following other religions does not mean its not one. 78%(though that number is categorized as a huge majority) or 90% or less than 50% it has been always a Hindu community i.e "significant number of people from this community are followers of Hinduism". You can add "Muslim communities" or "Sikh communities" category too.Winston786 (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Winston786, you can repeat yourself over and over again, but some of us are claiming that you are defining "Hindu community" incorrectly. We are saying that a Hindu community is not one in which a "significant number of the people are followers of Hinduism."  We are saying that, by definition, a Hindu community is one that is entirely or almost entirely Hindu.   If the category were called "Hindu-dominated community" or "Hindu-majority community", I would agree with you.  But if there were a category called "Male community", I would expect all of the members, or nearly all, to be male.  The adjective (Hindu) is modifying the noun (community), which refers to the entire group as a whole.  In exactly the same way that a "black horse" should be almost entirely black, and we would not label a horse with a "signficant amount of black coloring" as "black" without clarifying (black and white; striped, dappled, mottled, etc.), we cannot say that a community is Hindu unless the community as a whole is actually defined by its Hinduness.  Qwyrxian (talk) 21:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Two more things: to extend my above horse analogy, that's why we can't also add "Muslim community"--it is impossible to simultaneously assert "That is a black horse" and "That is a white horse." One may assert, "That is a black-and-white horse", meaning we could say this is a "Hindu and Muslim community" but not, separately, a Hindu community and a Muslim community.  Finally, though, Mkrestin's argument does make some sense to me, in that the historical notion of this as a Hindu community may have some capital. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Qwyrxian, Only you are finding it incorrect nobody else, and you horse anology is incorrect for this situation, doesn't really make any sense here. You can still add a seperate category for "muslim community" if u want to.Winston786 (talk) 05:58, 18 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, User: Sikh-history also agrees with me, while User:Mkreskin agrees with you (although for a slightly different reason). And I actually cannot add Category:Muslim communities, because I actually believe that would be incorrect.  I'll keep waiting though, and see if anyone else comments. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Huh? 70 villages in Delhi
There are near about 70 Gurjar dominated villages in Delhi???.

Lohmod Lohia: (about 3 - 4 village in South delhi i.e. Aayanagar, Ghitorni & Nathupur) Dedha: (about 24 villages in East Delhi) Baisoya :(6 villages mainly in the central zone—Pilanji, Aliganj, Khairpur, Joodbagh, Purani Pilanji, Garhi-Jhariya Marhiya) Chaprana: 1 village Julaina which was established by Haryana's village Mewla's Gurjars since 150 years ago Basista/Bosatta: 2 villages in Delhi - Sarai Kale Khan and Khanpur Tanwar/Tomar: 7 villages in Delhi namely Chandan Hola, Asola, Fathpur Beri, Mandi, Dera, Choti Bhati and Bhati Mines or Baas Bidhuri: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Tughlaqabad, Madanpur Khadar and Jasola. Khari: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Sultanpur, Rampura, Chandrawal and Wazirpur Rankne: 2 villages in Dellhi Aali and badarpur. Bainsla: Kotla Mubarak Pur one village in Delhi. Naagar: Hasanpur Nagla in East Delhi. Daak: 1 village tamur nagar. Maavi: 1 village Tekhand Koli: 1 village Zamrudpur

Just count the village names in bold, i have been doing research and i found out that {34} is the number of villages in delhi not 70 or around 70.I am a localite of delhi and i CHALLANGE Wikipedia that if there are more than 34 villages then give all the names?.

I can give you some proof:-1970 data

http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=gujjar

another one http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=+ahirs

User:Qwyrxian i am sorry buddy, no one can me name of 35 village as it doesnor exist.

My Question and concern is "My refrence shows 34 villages and the names of villages which i have highligted in bold shows 34". If you want to prove me wrong then i am waiting for answer.The name of 35 village?.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.182.12 (talk) 07:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Misleading info-" there are not 70 gujjar villages in delhi"its only 34"
Misleading info-" there are not 70 gujjar villages in delhi"its only 34---click on the refrence http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat


 * As I mentioned in my reversion, that book is from 1970, so I'm certain that's not accurate information for the current number of villages in Delhi. If you have a more current source, we can update the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

with due respect sir, population of a village can increase in 40 years but not the number. till today the names, location and number remains same.


 * Unless India is different than every other country in the world, of course the number of villages can change. Villages/cities/hamlets/machi/whatever term is being used in the local country split, move, disappear, are relocated by the government, appear in response to business opportunities, are eliminated by natural disasters, etc.  As far as I know, this happens in both industrialized and developing countries, as well as countries like India that straddle both categories.  Heck-think about how many countries have appeared and disappeared in the last 40 years.  So we definitely can't rely on 40 year old data for geographic/demographic information. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, however till the time no one has exact number we can add this refrence which says "as per 1970 census the number of Gujar villages in delhi is 34" my whole concern is instead of word "Around" if we have some some reliable source why not to use it on wiki."Around 70 or around 100" looks good on blogs or on threads but not on wiki.
 * First, please sign your comments on talk pages. The way to do that is to put four tildas at the end of your comment, which will look like ~ when you type it.  The wiki software will automaically convert that into your name and time/date of signing.  Second, I went ahead and removed the number "70", replacing with just the claim that there are many Gurjar villages in Delhi.  This is certainly accurate.  I don't believe that there is any value in having a 40 year old statistic on something that has almost certainly changed.  I've just spent the last 30 minutes searching a variety of places online for a more current number, including the 2001 India Census data, but I can't find anything.  Qwyrxian (talk) 07:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat

http://books.google.com/books?id=Spl3hkRyCZAC&pg=PA34&dq=ahir+villages+delhi&hl=en&ei=nFw9Tc3ND8GqlAeJ7dHoBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAjgU#v=onepage&q=ahir%20villages%20delhi&f=false--1986 Gazetteer of rural Delhi-page 41.

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=gujjar

http://books.google.com/books?id=Jv21AAAAIAAJ&q=ahir+villages+delhi&dq=ahir+villages+delhi&hl=en&ei=SV09TYP-D4L7lweW_62rBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCTge There are near about 70 Gurjar dominated villages in Delhi.who says where is the refrence and where is the proof?

Lohmod Lohia: (about 3 - 4 village in South delhi i.e. Aayanagar, Ghitorni & Nathupur) Dedha: (about 24 villages in East Delhi) Baisoya :(6 villages mainly in the central zone—Pilanji, Aliganj, Khairpur, Joodbagh, Purani Pilanji, Garhi-Jhariya Marhiya) Chaprana: 1 village Julaina which was established by Haryana's village Mewla's Gurjars since 150 years ago Basista/Bosatta: 2 villages in Delhi - Sarai Kale Khan and Khanpur Tanwar/Tomar: 7 villages in Delhi namely Chandan Hola, Asola, Fathpur Beri, Mandi, Dera, Choti Bhati and Bhati Mines or Baas Bidhuri: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Tughlaqabad, Madanpur Khadar and Jasola. Khari: 5-6 villages in Delhi such as Sultanpur, Rampura, Chandrawal and Wazirpur Rankne: 2 villages in Dellhi Aali and badarpur. Bainsla: Kotla Mubarak Pur one village in Delhi. Naagar: Hasanpur Nagla in East Delhi. Daak: 1 village tamur nagar. Maavi: 1 village Tekhand Koli: 1 village Zamrudpur

Just count the village names in bold, i have been doing research and i found out that {34} is the number of villages in delhi not 70 or around 70.I am a localite of delhi and i CHALLANGE Wikipedia that if there are more than 34 villages then give all the names?.

I can give you some proof:-1970 data

http://books.google.com/books?ei=1qEuTab9KIKglAfNp7n4Cw&ct=result&id=tPMEAAAAMAAJ&dq=aheer+villages&q=jat

another one http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=mphPTYPlO8jrrQe16pDaBg&ct=result&id=jKDPm6uZU28C&dq=gujjar+and+ahirs&q=+ahirs

User:Qwyrxian i am sorry buddy, i think you are Gujjar thats why you can't give me the name of 35 village forget about 70 villages.

My Question is "My refrence shows 34 villages the names of villages which i have highligted in bold shows 34". If you want to prove me wrong then i am waiting for answer.The name of 35 village.


 * The references provided by you were from 1970 census.So we can't say that Gurjars are still having 34 villages, however India's population is increasing at very fast rate.Mkrestin (talk) 19:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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I have just turned on auto-archiving of this page. This means that messages on this talk page older than 60 days will be moved to an archive subpage. No information will be lost; but moving it to the archive makes it easier to tell what is current, to navigate the page, and ensure that people don't respond to posts from years ago. If anyone objects, please let me know, but this is pretty standard practice on talk pages of this length. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Krishna was Royal Ahir /Yadav not Gujjar
Krishna was Royal Ahir /Yadav not Gujjar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.182.12 (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Gujjar clans comes from Ahirs
Gujjars descended from ahirs.

India's literary history: essays on the Nineteenth century By Stuart H. Blackburn

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=2N046vzK824C&pg=PA245&dq=history+of+rajputs+and+ahirs&hl=en&ei=vs51TYLqMYPNrQesl_S-Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=ahirs&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.21.182.12 (talk) 07:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

http://books.google.com/books?id=aZeFAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA230&dq=ahir+villages+delhi&hl=en&ei=kV49TdXRD4Gclgew5-T7Cg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBDgo#v=onepage&q=ahir&f=false

Delhi By J. D. Beglar, Archaeological Survey of India, A. C. L. Carlleyle

http://books.google.com/books?id=LPsvytmN3mUC&pg=PP7&dq=A.+Rose+is+his+book+%E2%80%98A+glossary+of+the+tribes+and+castes+of+the+Punjab+and+North-West+Frontier+Province%E2%80%99&hl=en&ei=-BIkTdCnHYK88gbA1qnTDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ahir&f=false

A glossary of the tribes and castes of the Punjab and North-West frontier ... By H.A. Rose-page-331

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=LPsvytmN3mUC&pg=PA311&dq=nandbanshi+ahir&hl=en&ei=DAlATcmGBYLyrQfs-_3sAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=_KmaKomlI-UC&pg=PA26&dq=nandvanshi&hl=en&ei=TP8_TdPwBo2vrAelrJ2mAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=nandvanshi&f=false According to British historian Crooke, The Gujjar claim descendants from Nand Mihir.

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=JQNATZ3NG8yHrAeX7ZHGAg&ct=result&id=GMnsAAAAMAAJ&dq=nand+mihir+gujjar&q=mihir#search_anchor The Indian economic and social history review, Volume 34-page-421

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=JQNATZ3NG8yHrAeX7ZHGAg&ct=result&id=-gsuAAAAMAAJ&dq=nand+mihir+gujjar&q=mihir#search_anchor

tribe in turmoil: a socio-economic study of Jammu Gujars of Uttar Pradesh-page 3

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=DAlATcmGBYLyrQfs-_3sAg&ct=result&id=jA1uAAAAMAAJ&dq=nandbanshi+ahir&q=nand#search_anchor

Encyclopaedia of the world Muslims: tribes, castes and communities, Volume 2

Rajputs, the Jats and the Ahirs, who are claimed by Gujjar historians as off-shoots of the main stock

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=EMTXAAAAMAAJ&q=gujjars+and+ahirs+of+pakistan&dq=gujjars+and+ahirs+of+pakistan&hl=en&ei=D8CaTfynJon3rQen9oGLBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAjgK

Gujars were fathers of jats and rajputs
Book ORIGN OF RAJPUT PAGE 2

http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=USmHTd2MDMXVrQfy3_0s&ct=result&id=BTxuAAAAMAAJ&dq=abhiras+jodhpur&q=gujar


 * Just glancing at it, that does not appear to be a reliable source. Given that it appears that a significant part of the book is related to mythical origins, and the lack of any useful information on the publisher, makes me doubt it's usefulness.  Qwyrxian (talk) 13:23, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India-page-23

says that Gujars are parents of several Rajput clans.

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ri7pgHOQC8UC&pg=PA21&dq=ahirs+of+gujarat&hl=en&ei=rS2MTbuHHsf4rQfOx-XSDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ahirs%20of%20gujarat&f=false


 * The article already says that. See the section Gurjar, which states, in part, "Dr. K. Jamanadas also states that the Pratihara clan descended from the Gurjars, and this "raises a strong presumption that the other Rajput clans also are the descendants from the Gurjaras or the allied foreign immigrants".  Is there any reason why we need to add another citation there, especially one to a book like this whose provenance is unclear?  Qwyrxian (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Musalman Gujjars in Punjab according to 1931 census
Male population 2,83,495 Khatana51,000 Chauhan27,000 Chechi39,000 Kasana15,000 Poswal28,000 Kalas12,000 Monan9,000 Thakria.9,000 Bhamla4,000 Bijar19,000 Gorsi19,000

Source:Punjabi Musalmans by J.M Wikeley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utosheeb (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how 1931 population numbers are relevant to this article. Also, we would need a full citation to even consider adding that (publisher, publication year).Qwyrxian (talk) 01:26, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

From these numbers the overall Gujjar population in Punjab Pakistan can be estimated. It could also be of interest for different Gujjar sub-caste people. Author: Wikeley, J. M Subject: Muslims -- India; Punjab -- History Publisher: Lahore Book House Possible copyright status: NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT Language: English Call number: ABU-5769 Digitizing sponsor: MSN Book contributor: Robarts - University of Toronto Collection: robarts; toronto

Edit request from 120.56.172.70, 1 July 2011
pls add this also that all about a royal king og gurjar community namly yograj singh gurjar .chief commander of battel with timur.

The Gujjars considerd as the protectors of the country and its faith. The Gujjar leaders in India are known for their bravery, courage and huge sacrifices. The Gujjars sacrifice themselves to perform their duty towards the country. Further, it is on records in history that not even a single Gujjar accepted the subordination and faith of the invaders to save their domain or land or estate.

Some of the names of the greatest Gujjar leaders in India are as follows -


 * 1) Vijay Singh Pathik - Indian Revolutionary, Satyagrahi & Hindi Poet
 * 2) Choudhary Rahmat Ali
 * 3) Ram Chandra Vikal - Ex Deputy Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh
 * 4) Rajesh Pilot - Indian Political Leader

Gurjars are always considered as brave people and they became a symbol of bravery and loyalty.

Some of the greatest Indian Gujjar warriors are mentioned below -
 * 1) Manu Deo Gurjar - 712 CE fought with the Mohammad Bin Qasim
 * 2) Veer Yograj Singh Gurjar - Fought with Timur-e-Lang
 * 3) Hari Singh Nalwa - Army chieftains of Ranjit Singh of Punjab
 * 4) Partap Rao Gurjar - Army chieftains of Chatrapati Shivaji
 * 5) Gurjar Singh - Great Sikh warrior
 * 6) Dhan Singh Kotwal - Freedom Fighter of India, First revolt against British Army in Meerut
 * 7) Kamal Ram Gurjar - First Indian to Receiver First Grade Victoria Cross form George V

Vallabhbhai Patel was born on 31st October, 1875, in a farmer`s in Nadiad, Gujarat. He was a Lehva patidar or Lehva Patel Gurjar. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel played the key role in uniting 604 different riyasats during the process of independence. He also played a decisive role in the Constituent Assembly and remained the moving spirit behind some of the landmark provisions of Indian principles. Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel was considered a man of action.

Vijay Singh Pathik was an Indian Revolutionary, Satyagrahi and also a very well known Hindi Poet. His father also took active part in the Sepoy Mutiny, 1857. During his teenage Vijay Singh joined revolutionary organisation and took active part against the British rule. Ram Chandra Vikal was the first Gujjar leader of India. He was from village Basantpur, it was in Bulandshahr. Rajesh Pilot was one of the most famous and powerful Indian politicians. His real name was Rajeshwar Prasad. He was home minister of India. He was from village Baidpura, of district Ghaziabad in Uttar Pradesh. He was a man of integrity and confidence.

These were some of the great Indian Gujjar leaders who have contributed tremendously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.56.172.70 (talk) 06:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * To include any of this, you need to provide reliable sources that verify those claims. If you have such sources, please post them here and we can figure out if/how to include the info in the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed addition to infobox gallery
User:Gurjeshwar attempted to add a new picture to the infobox of Ram Chandra Vikal. I reverted, because there is no article on this person, and thus no demonstrated notability or verification that the person is a Gujar. Later (after asked on xyr talk), Gurjeshwar responded on my talk page to give references to verify xe is a Gurjar and seems to be notable. This story from MSN India seems to be the best reference of the bunch, and does seem to confirm that Ram Chandra Vikal is notable and is a Gurjar. However, I still believe that the picture should not be added to the infobox, because there still is no article on Vikal. My opinion is that 1) we have to limit the number of people displayed in the infobox (otherwise it will grow indefinitely), and 2) one of the first measurements should be whether or not the person has a Wikipedia article. However, if other editors disagree, and a consensus can be formed to include Vikal's picture despite the lack of article, I'll self-revert (and I'll need to add the reference for verification purposes as well). Opinions, anyone? Qwyrxian (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Other famous Gurjar
Hi I just want to create attention about Gujjar's of Punjab because they are not listed in Wikipedia Gujjar/Gurjar page and they are very thickly populated in Disst. Ropar,Disst. Sahid Bhagat Singh Nagar,Disst. Hoshiarpur Disst. Mohali ( Sahibjada Ajit Singh Nagar ), Disst Patiala, Some village of Chandigarh e.g. Nayan Gaon, Dhanas, Kaimwala, Nada Sahib. There is very famous Achariya Swami Chetna Nand Ji Maharaj is also from Disst Ropar ( www.satsahib.org ) and they got very large no. of follower from Gujjar and other castes. They got M.L.A. from Balachaur constitency Sh. Nand Lal ( SAD ) and even though  Major Kuldeep Singh Chandpuri is from Chandpur Rurki near Garhshanknar. Disst. Hoshiarpur. There is famous Kabbadi player named Bittu Dugaal is from Village Dugaal Disst Patiala. There is much more i can put in this section so please upgrade this section and add the Gujjar/Gurjar from Punjab as well.

Kind Regards, Mandeep Bhumbla — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sodhi.lambad (talk • contribs)


 * We can't add any of that information without a reliable source. Please not that things like www.satsahib.org, as a private, self-published site, do not usually meet the reliable source guidelines. If you have reliable source, please provide them here and we can add the consider adding the info. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:29, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Sardar Patel
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ne8cSgAACAAJ&dq=sardar+patel+gurjar&hl=en http://books.google.co.in/books?id=fARuAAAAMAAJ&q=sardar+vallabhbhai+patel+gurjar&dq=sardar+vallabhbhai+patel+gurjar&hl=en http://books.google.co.in/books?id=crkCAAAAMAAJ&dq=editions%3AUOM39015027767717&q=Lewa
 * 1) Sardar Vallbhbhai Patel and Rajesh Pilot - Gujjar Leaders in IndiaSardar Vallabhbhai Patel - Iron Man of India

I think the above links are enough to establish that Sardar Patel was gurjar. Please mention it as it is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ketanpatil87 (talk • contribs) 11:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that that does verify Patel was a Gurjar. However, if you look through this article, this article doesn't list individual people. In fact, the list of Gurjars is found at List of Gurjars, and, if you check there, Patel is already listed.  So I'm not really sure what the point of this request is. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:49, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Patidar history
Guys, also refer to Patidar History. They owe their language and culture to Gujjars.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/8/1/3176442/TheHistoryofPatidars.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.36.196.10 (talk) 03:36, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's definitely not a reliable source. It is a presentation compiled by some sort of charity organization, and created by just a few people (look at the Disclaimer of Notice near the end of the file).  As such, it cannot be used to substantiate anything in Wikipedia.  If you have reliable sources, please free to discuss them here. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

In Kathiawar (Gujarat) Ahirs are called Gujjars.
Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency, Volume 9, Part 1

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Wr4MAAAAIAAJ&q=graharipu&dq=graharipu&hl=en&ei=9XqATe7CK8qrrAe1-_moBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ

TOTAL 	GUJAR VILLAGE IN DELHI       COUNT BY  CHANDGI RAM	LOHMOD S.No	VILLAGE	Sub CAST 1	JONA PUR	AMBAVTA 2	METTHA PUR 	AWANA 3	KOTLA MUBARAK PUR	BAINSLA 4	ALIGANJ	BAISOYA 5	GHARHI JHARIYA MARHIYA	BAISOYA 6	JOR BAGH	BAISOYA 7	KHAIR PUR	BAISOYA 8	PELANJI	BAISOYA 9	PELANJI PURANI 	BAISOYA 10	Tri NAGAR (JUD BAGH)	BAISOYA 11	HARKESH NAGAR	BHADANA 12	NANGLI JALIB	BHADANA 13	TRI NAGAR (BAIRAM KHAN)	BHADANA & NAGAR 14	JASOLA	BIDHUDI 15	MADAN PUR KHADER	BIDHUDI 16	TIGRI	BIDHUDI 17	TUGALKA BAD	BIDHUDI 18	KHAN PUR	BOSATTA/BASIST 19	SARAI KALEKHAN	BOSATTA/BASIST 20	KHYALA	CHANDILA 21	JULENA	CHAPRANA 22	TAIMUR NAGAR	DAAK & BAISOYA 23	BHUA PUR	DEDHA 24	BIHARI PUR	DEDHA 25	CHILLA SARODA	DEDHA 26	DALU PURA	DEDHA 27	DELHI PATTI	DEDHA 28	DYAL PUR	DEDHA 29	GAAMDI BHAJAN PURA	DEDHA 30	GAZI PUR	DEDHA 31	GHADOLI	DEDHA 32	GHARI MANDU	DEDHA 33	GHAROLI	DEDHA 34	GHARONDA NEEMKA Banger	DEDHA 35	GHARONDA NEEMKA Khada	DEDHA 36	GHONDLI	DEDHA 37	GOKUL PUR	DEDHA 38	JAGAT PUR	DEDHA 39	JHILMIL TAHIR PUR	DEDHA 40	KARAWAL NAGAR	DEDHA 41	KARKAD DUMA	DEDHA 42	KHAJURI	DEDHA 43	KHICHDI PUR	DEDHA 44	KHUREJI KHAS	DEDHA 45	KONDLI	DEDHA 46	MANDAWLI FAJAL PUR	DEDHA 47	MOUJ PUR	DEDHA 48	SABHA PUR	DEDHA 49	SADAT PUR	DEDHA 50	SAMAS PUR JAHANGIR	DEDHA 51	SELAM PUR	DEDHA 52	SER PUR	DEDHA 53	TIMAR PUR	DEDHA 54	TUKMER PUR	DEDHA 55	USMAN PUR	DEDHA 56	GHONDA 	DEDHA 57	NANGLI DAIRY	KARHANA & Tanwar 58	CHANDRAWAL(Sahadra)	KHARI 59	GOPAL PUR	KHARI 60	SULTAN PUR	KHARI 61	TRI NAGAR (RAM Pura)	KHARI 62	WAZIR PUR	KHARI 63	JUMRAD PUR	KOLI (DAYMA) 64	AYA NAGAR	LOHMOD 65	GHITORNI	LOHMOD 66	PEHLAD PUR	LOHMOD 67	TEKHAND	MAAVI 68	HASAN PUR	NAGAR 69	TIHAR	Poswal,Jangal,Bhadana 70	BADAR PUR	REXWAL 71	AALI	REXWAL (RANKE) 72	ASOLA	TANWAR 73	BHATI KALAN (Chota Baas)	TANWAR 74	BHATI KHURD (Bada Baas)	TANWAR 75	CHANDAN HULLA	TANWAR 76	DERA	TANWAR 77	FATEH PUR BERI	TANWAR 78	MANDI	TANWAR SOME OTHER PLACE OF GUJAR' S IN DELHI GUJAR DAIRY	ADHANA & CHAPRANA PEERA GARHI	Karhana & MIX Pyare Gujar Bhaiyo Ko Namaskar Maine Bahut Kosis Karke In Gaon Ke Bare Main Jana Hai Agar Koi Galti ya Bhool ho Gayi Ho Sudhar Ke 	Liye Sujhav Dena Ji CHANDGI RAM LOHOMOD VILLAGE & P.O. GHITORNI	MobileNo -9868135611 NEW DELHI - 110030        EMAIL-  ccrgurjar@gmail.com

GUJJAR	VILLAGE IN HARYANA	                               COUNT BY	CHANDGI RAM LOHMOD 1	FARIDA BAD	ANKHER	BIDHUDI 2	FARIDA BAD	ANNANG PUR	BHADANA 3	FARIDA BAD	BHATOLA	Chandila & Adhana 4	FARIDA BAD	BHOKRI	FAGNA 5	FARIDA BAD	BHUA PUR TIGAON	NAGAR 6	FARIDA BAD	BUDHENA	CHANDILA 7	FARIDA BAD	CHAND PUR 8	FARIDA BAD	FAJJA PUR	NAGAR 9	FARIDA BAD	FATEH PUR CHANDILA	CHANDILA 10	FARIDA BAD	FATU PURA 11	FARIDA BAD	FIROJ PUR KALAN	KARHANA 12	FARIDA BAD	JASANA	NAGAR 13	FARIDA BAD	KABUL PUR	KARHANA 14	FARIDA BAD	KAM NAGAR 15	FARIDA BAD	KAMRA	BHADANA 16	FARIDA BAD	KAURALI 17	FARIDA BAD	KHEDI GUJRAN	LOHMOD 18	FARIDA BAD	KHORI JAMAL PUR	KHATANA 19	FARIDA BAD	KOT	MAAVI 20	FARIDA BAD	LAKAD PUR	BHADANA 21	FARIDA BAD	MACHCHHGAR	NAGAR 22	FARIDA BAD	MANJHAWLI 23	FARIDA BAD	MOHPTA BAD	BHADANA 24	FARIDA BAD	MUJESAR	KAPASIYA 25	FARIDA BAD	MUNJAIDI	KAPASIYA 26	FARIDA BAD	NANGLA GUJRAN	BHADANA & BOSSATA 27	FARIDA BAD	NAUCHOLI	NAGAR 28	FARIDA BAD	NEEMKA	NAGAR 29	FARIDA BAD	NEK PUR	MANDAAR 30	FARIDA BAD	PAKHAL	BHADANA 31	FARIDA BAD	PALI	BHADANA 32	FARIDA BAD	PALI NAWADA 33	FARIDA BAD	PAWTA	BHADANA 34	FARIDA BAD	PEHLAD PUR	BHADANA 35	FARIDA BAD	SARAI KHAWAJA 36	FARIDA BAD	SHAHPUR KALAN 37	FARIDA BAD	SIDAK	NAGAR 38	FARIDA BAD	SIDOLA	NAGAR 39	FARIDA BAD	TAJ PUR 40	FARIDA BAD	TIGAON	NAGAR,ADHANA 41	FARIDA BAD	TILORI	BIDHUDI 42	FARIDA BAD	UCHCHA GAOUN	NAGAR 43	Faridabad&Ballabghar	AGWAN PUR 44	Faridabad&Ballabghar	ALLI PUR	BHADANA 45	Faridabad&Ballabghar	AMIR PUR	BHADANA 46	Faridabad&Ballabghar	ASAWTA	POSWAL 47	Faridabad&Ballabghar	BADOLI 	CHANDILA 48	Faridabad&Ballabghar	BADROLA	SARDHANA 49	Faridabad&Ballabghar	BEHBOOL PUR	BHADANA 50	Faridabad&Ballabghar	BHAINSRAWLI	BAISLA 51	Faridabad&Ballabghar	BHAT PURA	BHATI & BHADANA 52	Faridabad&Ballabghar	BUDENA	CHANDILA 53	Faridabad&Ballabghar	CHANDILA 	POSWAL 54	Faridabad&Ballabghar	FARED PUR 	KHATANA 55	Faridabad&Ballabghar	GHURSAAN	HUN 56	Faridabad&Ballabghar	HARPHALA	HUN 57	Faridabad&Ballabghar	KARNEHRA	KARHANA 58	Faridabad&Ballabghar	KHORI KHURD KALAN	KHATANA 59	Faridabad&Ballabghar	LADHIYA PUR	MAAVI 60	Faridabad&Ballabghar	MANDAWLI	NAGAR 61	Faridabad&Ballabghar	MAWAI	MAAVI 62	Faridabad&Ballabghar	MEHMOOD PUR	BHADANA 63	Faridabad&Ballabghar	MEVLA MAHARAJ PUR	CHAPRANA 64	Faridabad&Ballabghar	MOLAD BANDH 65	Faridabad&Ballabghar	NAWADA	NAGAR 66	Faridabad&Ballabghar	NAWADA Bhadana	BHADANA 67	Faridabad&Ballabghar	PALLA	NAGAR 68	Faridabad&Ballabghar	PANHERA KHURD	LOHMOD(PANWAR) 69	Faridabad&Ballabghar	SAHA PUR KHURD	ADHANA 70	Faridabad&Ballabghar	SEKORNA	SIRADHANA 71	Faridabad&Ballabghar	SEKRI KALAN	SIRADHANA 72	Faridabad&Ballabghar	SEKRI KHURD	SIRADHANA 73	Faridabad&Ballabghar	TEEKRI KHERA	NAGAR 74	Faridabad&Ballabghar	TILPAT	NAGAR 75	GURGAON (PALWAL)	BADOLI 	BAISLA 76	GURGAON (PATODI)	BILAS PUR 77	GURGAON (PATODI)	BRIJ PURA 78	GURGAON (PATODI)	CHANDILA DUNGARWAS 79	GURGAON (PATODI)	GADAI PUR 80	GURGAON (PATODI)	INCHHA PURI 81	GURGAON (PATODI)	PANDALA 82	GURGAON (PATODI)	RATHIWAS 83	GURGAON (PATODI)	SIRADHNAWALI 84	GURGAON (SOHNA)	ABEY PUR	KHATANA 85	GURGAON (SOHNA)	AKBAR PUR 86	GURGAON (SOHNA)	AMROLI 87	GURGAON (SOHNA)	ATARCHATA	ADHANA 88	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BADGURJAR 89	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BADHAN PUR	BHADANA 90	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BADOLI 91	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BAIKHEDA	AWANA 92	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BALIYAWAS	HARSANA 93	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BAMRAULI 94	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BANDHWADI	HARSANA & KOLI 95	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BEHLPA	KHATANA 96	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BEHRAM PUR	AMBAVTA & BHATI 97	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BELA 98	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BERKA	KHATANA 99	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BHAGOLA 100	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BHATI KALAN	BHATI 101	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BHATI KHURD	BHATI 102	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BHILAKA	HARSANA & KOLI 103	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BHONDSI 104	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BHUA PUR	BHADANA 105	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BICHPURI 106	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BILAAKA	BHAMLA 107	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BILOCH PUR 108	GURGAON (SOHNA)	BISSAR 109	GURGAON (SOHNA)	CHUHAD PUR	TANWAR 110	GURGAON (SOHNA)	DAMDAMA	KHATANA 111	GURGAON (SOHNA)	DARBARI PUR	BOKAN 112	GURGAON (SOHNA)	DHUMAS PUR 113	GURGAON (SOHNA)	DHUNELA	KHATANA & KARHANA 114	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GAIRAT PUR BAAS 115	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GHARHI HARSU	HARSANA 116	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GHASEDA 117	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GHATA	KOLI (DAYMA) 118	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GUDHRANA 119	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GUJAR NANGLA 120	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GULAWDI 121	GURGAON (SOHNA)	GWAL PAHARI	TANWAR 122	GURGAON (SOHNA)	HARCHAND PUR	BOKAN(BHAMLA) 123	GURGAON (SOHNA)	HASAN PUR	BOKAN 124	GURGAON (SOHNA)	HAYAT PUR 125	GURGAON (SOHNA)	ISEKI	AWANA 126	GURGAON (SOHNA)	JILOKA	AWANA 127	GURGAON (SOHNA)	JOLAKA	HARSANA & AWANA 128	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KADAR PUR	KOLI Dayma)& ADHANA 129	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KANHAI KALAN	130	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KANWARLA	131	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KARNA	132	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KAROLI	133	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KASHI PUR	LOHMOD 134	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KHAIKAL	SARDHANA 135	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KHARODA	BHAMLA 136	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KHATELA	BOSATTA & ADHANA 137	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KHEDLA	KHATANA 138	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KOTA KHNDEWAL	RATHI 139	GURGAON (SOHNA)	KUSHAK	140	GURGAON (SOHNA)	LAKHUWAS	KARHANA 141	GURGAON (SOHNA)	LAL GHAR	142	GURGAON (SOHNA)	LAL WARI	143	GURGAON (SOHNA)	LALA KHEDLI	KHATANA 144	GURGAON (SOHNA)	LALWAKA	145	GURGAON (SOHNA)	LOHTKI	KHATANA 146	GURGAON (SOHNA)	LULWADI	147	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MAHARAJ PUR	148	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MAIDAWAS	149	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MAKODA GUJAR	150	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MANDKOLA	151	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MANDORI	152	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MANGAR	HARSANA & BHADAN 153	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MARROLI	154	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MEHRAJ PUR	KHATANA 155	GURGAON (SOHNA)	MOHMAD PUR	HARSANA 156	GURGAON (SOHNA)	NARSING PUR	BHEDI & BHATI 157	GURGAON (SOHNA)	NATHU PUR	LOHMOD 158	GURGAON (SOHNA)	NAYA GAOUN	BHADANA 159	GURGAON (SOHNA)	NIMOTH	BHAMLA 160	GURGAON (SOHNA)	PAROLI 161	GURGAON (SOHNA)	PHULWARI	POSWAL 162	GURGAON (SOHNA)	PUTTHLI 163	GURGAON (SOHNA)	RAIDASKA 164	GURGAON (SOHNA)	RAM GHAR 165	GURGAON (SOHNA)	REEBAD 166	GURGAON (SOHNA)	REHRANA 167	GURGAON (SOHNA)	RENDKA 168	GURGAON (SOHNA)	RETHOJ	KHATANA 169	GURGAON (SOHNA)	RITHOJ	KHATANA 170	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SALOTI 171	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SANP KI NANGLI 172	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SEHITOJ	KHATANA 173	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SEHJAWAS	KHATANA 174	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SINGHOLA	bhamla &KHATANA 175	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SIRASKA	BOKAN 176	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SIYA 	BOSATTA & ADHANA 177	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SOHNA KALAN 178	GURGAON (SOHNA)	SWAMIKA 179	GURGAON (SOHNA)	TEKRI 180	GURGAON (SOHNA)	TETAD	BOKAN 181	GURGAON (SOHNA)	TIGRA	TANWAR 182	GURGAON (SOHNA)	TOLNI	BHAMBHLA 183	GURGAON (SOHNA)	TUMASRA 184	GURGAON (SOHNA)	ULLAHWAS	AMBAVTA 185	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	BHANGROLA 186	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	BUDHEDA 187	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	GHARHI NATHEY KHAN 188	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	JAMAL PUR 189	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	KAROLA 190	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	KHANDEWALA 191	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	KHAR KHARI GUJAR 192	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	MEHCHNA 193	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	TAJ NAGAR 194	GURGAUN (Faruk Nagr)	TIRPADI 195	JHAJAR	BAJEET PUR	KARHANA 196	JHAJAR	SIKANDAR PUR	KARHANA 197	KAIRANA	ALDI 198	KAIRANA	BINDA 199	KAIRANA	BRAHAM KHEDA 200	KAIRANA	BUCCHA KHERI 201	KAIRANA	DABHERI BUJARG 202	KAIRANA	DINDUKHERA 203	KAIRANA	DUDHAR 204	KAIRANA	ESSOPUR TEEL 205	KAIRANA	GANGERU 206	KAIRANA	GHARHI RADA 207	KAIRANA	GHARHI RAMKAUR 208	KAIRANA	GOGAR 209	KAIRANA	GUJJAR BALWA 210	KAIRANA	GURJAR PUR 211	KAIRANA	ISLAM PUR GHASOLI 212	KAIRANA	JAGAN PUR 213	KAIRANA	JAMAL PUR 214	KAIRANA	JASALA 215	KAIRANA	JHAR KHERI 216	KAIRANA	KANDELA 217	KAIRANA	KHANDRAWLI 218	KAIRANA	KHEDA KURTAN 219	KAIRANA	MAMUR 220	KAIRANA	MEEMLA 221	KAIRANA	MOI 222	KAIRANA	NAI NAGLA 223	KAIRANA	NALA 224	KAIRANA	PAWTIKALA 225	KAIRANA	RAJA PUR 226	KAIRANA	RASUL PUR GUJRAN 227	KAIRANA	RATONG 228	KAIRANA	SAHAPAT 229	KAIRANA	SAKOTI 230	KAIRANA	SHAMLI SHAMLA 231	KAIRANA	SHIV NAGAR 232	KAIRANA	TITARWADA 233	KAIRANA	UCHCHA GAOUN 234	PANIPAT	BAPOLI	Dashrath BHADANA 235	PANIPAT	BHODWAL MAJRI 236	PANIPAT	BHOODWAL MAJRI	Dashrath BHADANA 237	REWARI	BASAI 238	REWARI	BHUDLA 239	REWARI	CHANDANWAS 240	REWARI	DHOBI GHAT 241	REWARI	DHOKI 242	REWARI	GHATAL GUJAR 243	REWARI	GUJAR MAJRI 244	REWARI	IBRAHIM PUR 245	REWARI	JIWARA 246	REWARI	LADUWAS GUJAR 247	REWARI	MANGALESHWAR 248	REWARI	PATAUDA 249	REWARI	PATHREDI 250	YAMUNA NAGAR	AHADWALA 251	YAMUNA NAGAR	ALIPURA 252	YAMUNA NAGAR	BAHADUR PUR 253	YAMUNA NAGAR	BANKAT 254	YAMUNA NAGAR	BEGAM PUR 255	YAMUNA NAGAR	BHILPURA 256	YAMUNA NAGAR	BHUDKALA 257	YAMUNA NAGAR	BICHPADI 258	YAMUNA NAGAR	BRAHMAN MAJRA 259	YAMUNA NAGAR	CHOLI 260	YAMUNA NAGAR	CHUHAD PUR KALAN 261	YAMUNA NAGAR	CHUHAD PUR KHURD 262	YAMUNA NAGAR	DADWA 263	YAMUNA NAGAR	DAMO PURA 264	YAMUNA NAGAR	DEVDHAR 265	YAMUNA NAGAR	DHAURANG 266	YAMUNA NAGAR	GULABGHARH 267	YAMUNA NAGAR	HALADARI GUJRAN 268	YAMUNA NAGAR	HASAN PUR 269	YAMUNA NAGAR	ISMAIL PUR 270	YAMUNA NAGAR	JAIDHAR 271	YAMUNA NAGAR	JAIRAM PUR 272	YAMUNA NAGAR	KALESHAR 273	YAMUNA NAGAR	KANNYAWALA 274	YAMUNA NAGAR	KHADRI 275	YAMUNA NAGAR	LAAKAR 276	YAMUNA NAGAR	LAHORIWALA 277	YAMUNA NAGAR	MADHUBANS 278	YAMUNA NAGAR	MADO 279	YAMUNA NAGAR	MANBHAWLA 280	YAMUNA NAGAR	MANDEWALA 281	YAMUNA NAGAR	MANDOLI 282	YAMUNA NAGAR	MEHAR MAJRA 283	YAMUNA NAGAR	MILAK KHAS 284	YAMUNA NAGAR	MODHA 285	YAMUNA NAGAR	MUGLAWALI 286	YAMUNA NAGAR	MUJAFAT 287	YAMUNA NAGAR	NANDGHAR 288	YAMUNA NAGAR	NATHAN PURA 289	YAMUNA NAGAR	NIWAJ PUR 290	YAMUNA NAGAR	RAMPUR KHADER 291	YAMUNA NAGAR	SEHJAD PUR 292	YAMUNA NAGAR	SHEKHUMAJRA 293	YAMUNA NAGAR	SLEMPUR 294	YAMUNA NAGAR	TELI PURA 295	GURGAON(SOHNA)	CHANDILA	POSWAL Bhadana (14 villages) Mavi (10 Village) in Badka Teh Palwal Nagar(84 villages) Baisla (26 village) Phagna (1 Village) CHANDGI RAM LOHMOD	Email ccrgurjar@gmail.com Mob - 9868135611 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.162.198 (talk) 10:20, 20 November 2011 (UTC) GUJJAR VILLAGE IN	U.P Count By CHANDGI RAM	LOHMOD (Ghitorni) BAGPAT	AHERA BAGPAT	BADOLI BAGPAT	BADOT (BAROUT) BAGPAT	BALI BAGPAT	BDHEDA BAGPAT	BHAGOT BAGPAT	BICHHPADI BAGPAT	BINOULI BAGPAT	CHHAPROLI BAGPAT	DAGAR PUR BAGPAT	FAKAR PUR BAGPAT	GARHI (KALINGRI)	MANGAAR BAGPAT	GHITORA	BAISLA BAGPAT	GONA BAGPAT	GOTHRA BAGPAT	JAWHAR PUR MEVLA BAGPAT	KAIDWA KAMALA	KARHANA BAGPAT	KHATTA PRAHALAD PUR	KARHANA BAGPAT	KHEKRA BAGPAT	LALIYAN PUR BAGPAT	MASURI BAGPAT	MEETLI BAGPAT	MEHARAM PUR BAGPAT	NANGLA BALI BAGPAT	NIBOLI BAGPAT	NIROJ PUR	MAAVI BAGPAT	NOOR PUR MUZBIDA	HARSANA Mangaar BAGPAT	PABLA	DHAMA BAGPAT	PHULERA BAGPAT	PILANA BAGPAT	PUTTHI BAGPAT	RATOL BAGPAT	SARFA BAD BAGPAT	SUBHAN PUR	MANGAAR BAGPAT	SURAJ PUR MAHANWA BAGPAT	TATIRI MANDI BAGPAT	TIGRI BAGPAT	VINAY PUR BAGPAT (BINAULI)	BAMNOLI BAGPAT (BINAULI)	BEGAMABAD GARHI BAGPAT (BINAULI)	BOR PURA BAGPAT (BINAULI)	CHNADYAN	CHECHI BAGPAT (BINAULI)	HIMMAT PUR BAGPAT (BINAULI)	KHAPRANA	KARHANA BAGPAT (BINAULI)	MAAVIKLAN	MAAVI BAGPAT (BINAULI)	MANGROULI BAGPAT (BINAULI)	SISROULI	MAAVI BAGPAT (BINAULI)	TETRA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	BASOLI	BAINSLA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	BODHA	BAINSLA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	KAKOR KALAN BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	KIRTHAL BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	MUKAND PUR BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	RATHAURA BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	SHER PUR BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	SOTHI KALAN	SETHI BAGPAT (CHHAPRAULI)	TUGANA KHURAD BAGPAT (PILANA)	ABDULLAH PUR MEVLA BAGPAT (PILANA)	BAINSLA KALAN	BAINSLA BAGPAT (PILANA)	FATEH PUR MAJRA BAGPAT (PILANA)	GHATOLI BAGPAT (PILANA)	HABIB PUR NANGLA BAGPAT (PILANA)	HAIRA KHERA BAGPAT (PILANA)	KANSA POOTHI	KARHANA BAGPAT (PILANA)	MAAVI KHURD	MAAVI BAGPAT (PILANA)	MACHCHADEN	CHECHI BAGPAT (PILANA)	PATHAULI BAGPAT (PILANA)	RAWAT KHERI	RAWAT BAGPAT (PILANA)	SANKAL POOTHI	MAAVI BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	BAGHU NIROJ PUR BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	BAGPAT BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	BHARAR PUR BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	BUDHEDA BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	CHIRCHITA BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	KEDWA KAMAALA	KARHANA BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	KONDLI BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	MEHRAM PUR BAGPAT Vidhan Sabha	RATAUL BAGPAT(BADOT)	ANGA PUR BAGPAT(BADOT)	BAOLI BAGPAT(BADOT)	DHIKANA BAGPAT(BADOT)	GOONGA KHERI BAGPAT(BADOT)	KHERI PARDHAN	PARDHAN BAGPAT(BADOT)	KHOTANA	KARHANA BAGPAT(BADOT)	RUSTAM PUR BAGPAT(BADOT)	SADAK PUR SINOLI BAGPAT(BADOT)	SAHAPUR BADOLI DADRI	ACHEJA DADRI	AKEEL PUR JHANGEER	NAGAR DADRI	AMINA BAD DADRI	ANAND PUR DADRI	BADAL PUR	NAGAR DADRI	BADHPURA	NAGAR 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LONI	KARHEDA LONI	KARKAR GAON LONI	KHAN PUR JAPTI	MAAVI LONI	KHORA LONI	KOTWAL PUR LONI	LONI 	MAAVI & KASANA LONI	MANDLA LONI	MATHURA PUR LONI	MEER PUR HINDU	MAAVI LONI	MEHMOOD PUR	KASANA LONI	MEVLA BHATI	BHATI LONI	MILK CHAKAR PUR LONI	MORTI GAON LONI	MURTAJA BAD BHOOP KHERI	KASANA LONI	NANGLA GAUN LONI	NITHHORA LONI	NUSARTA BAD KHAR KHARI	KASANA LONI	PASONDA LONI	RAJ PUR SARIFA BAD	KASANA LONI	REVRI REVDA LONI	RISTAL AURANGABAD	KASANA LONI	SAHBAJ PUR	KASANA & MAAVI LONI	SAKAL PURA	KASANA LONI	SIKHRANI	MAAVI LONI	SIROLI	MAAVI LONI	SIRORA SALAIM PUR	KASANA LONI	TELLA SAHABAJ PUR	MAAVI MERUT KHARKHODA	ABDULLAH PUR MERUT KHARKHODA	ACCHHRONDA MERUT KHARKHODA	AGWAN PUR MERUT KHARKHODA	AKBAR PUR MERUT KHARKHODA	AURANGA BAD MERUT KHARKHODA	BAHARODA MERUT KHARKHODA	BHADUR PUR MERUT KHARKHODA	BHAROLI MERUT KHARKHODA	BHATJAN MERUT KHARKHODA	CHETNA WALI MANDHAIYA MERUT KHARKHODA	CHUCHHAI MERUT KHARKHODA	CHUDIYALA MERUT KHARKHODA	DARIO MERUT KHARKHODA	DATAWLI MERUT KHARKHODA	DAYA NAGAR MERUT 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MAWANA	PARDHAN NAUGLI MERUT MAWANA	PHALAUNDA MERUT MAWANA	PIPLEHADA MERUT MAWANA	POOTHHI MERUT MAWANA	PUBLA MERUT MAWANA	RAMRAJ MERUT MAWANA	RANI NANGLA MERUT MAWANA	REHMAN PUR MERUT MAWANA	SAHAPUR MERUT MAWANA	SAHAZAD PUR MERUT MAWANA	SAMOLI SALEM PUR MERUT MAWANA	SEENA MERUT MAWANA	TATINA MERUT MAWANA	TULSI PUR GUJJAR MERUT SIWALKHAS	BAHADUR PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS	BHADORA MERUT SIWALKHAS	BHANBHADA MERUT SIWALKHAS	BHOOD BARAL MERUT SIWALKHAS	DABUTHUA MERUT SIWALKHAS	IKRI MERUT SIWALKHAS	JEVARI MERUT SIWALKHAS	JITOLA MERUT SIWALKHAS	KAITHWARI MERUT SIWALKHAS	KALYAN PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS	KARNAWAL MERUT SIWALKHAS	KHIWAI MERUT SIWALKHAS	KINONI MERUT SIWALKHAS	MEER PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS	MEHROLI MERUT SIWALKHAS	NANU MERUT SIWALKHAS	PANCHALI MERUT SIWALKHAS	PARTA PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS	PATHOLI MERUT SIWALKHAS	PURBALIYAN MERUT SIWALKHAS	RAJA PUR MERUT SIWALKHAS	RASNA MERUT SIWALKHAS	RASOOL PUR ZAHID MERUT SIWALKHAS	RASUL PUR DHAULDI MERUT SIWALKHAS	SIWALKHAS MERUT SIWALKHAS	THIRAUT MERUT SIWALKHAS	UPLEHDA NOIDA	AGGAPUR NOIDA	ASGAR PUR NOIDA	ATTA	AWANA NOIDA	BAROLA NOIDA	BHANGEL NOIDA	BISAN PURA NOIDA	CHHALERA NOIDA	CHODA NOIDA	ELAH BAS NOIDA	GADAR PUR NOIDA	GEJHHA NOIDA	GIJHORE NOIDA	HAROLA	AWANA NOIDA	HAZI PUR NOIDA	JHUND PURA NOIDA	KONDLY KHADAR NOIDA	MAMURA NOIDA	MANGROLI NOIDA	MOHIYA PUR	LOHMOD NOIDA	MORNA NOIDA	NAYA BASS	AWANA NOIDA	NITHARI	AWANA NOIDA	PARTHALA KHANJAR PUR NOIDA	RAI PUR NOIDA	SAKI PUR NOIDA	SALAR PUR NOIDA	SILAR PUR NOIDA	YAKUB PUR SIKANDRA BAD	ANDEL SIKANDRA BAD	ASTOLI SIKANDRA BAD	AZAM PUR GHARHI SIKANDRA BAD	BHATTA SIKANDRA BAD	BILAS PUR SIKANDRA BAD	CHACHULA SIKANDRA BAD	CHAKAR PUR DADRI SIKANDRA BAD	CHEETTI SIKANDRA BAD	DADDHA SIKANDRA BAD	DADU PUR SIKANDRA BAD	DUNGAR PUR RELKHA SIKANDRA BAD	ECHHER SIKANDRA BAD	GHANGHOLA SIKANDRA BAD	JAGAN PUR AFJAL PUR SIKANDRA BAD	JAHID PUR SIKANDRA BAD	JUN PAT SIKANDRA BAD	KAAMAL PUR SIKANDRA BAD	KAIMRALA SIKANDRA BAD	KANARSA SIKANDRA BAD	KATHHEDA SIKANDRA BAD	KHEDLI BHAV SIKANDRA BAD	KHERLI HAFIJ PUR SIKANDRA BAD	LUHARLI SIKANDRA BAD	MANDAIYA SIKANDRA BAD	MOOJA KHEDA SIKANDRA BAD	NANVA KA RAJ PUR SIKANDRA BAD	NAYA BAS SIKANDRA BAD	NORANG PUR DANKAUR SIKANDRA BAD	PALLA SIKANDRA BAD	PALLI SIKANDRA BAD	PEPALKA SIKANDRA BAD	RAJ PUR KALAN SIKANDRA BAD	RITHHODI SIKANDRA BAD	SALEM PUR SIKANDRA BAD	SIRSA SIKANDRA BAD	THAP KHEDA SIKANDRA BAD	TIL BEGAM PUR SIKANDRA BAD	TUGAL PUR SIKANDRA BAD	DALEL GHAR SIKANDRA BAD	ROUNI Village Count by CHANDGI RAM LOHMOD Village GHITORNI NEW DELHI — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.162.198 (talk) 10:34, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 March 2012
My research monograph on the Van Gujjars is being published by Walter de Gruyter and I wanted to add to this article. I would be happy however if there was any way a reference to this monograph was made in this article. My mongraph has a substantial chapter on background Gujjar history, Deoband 'school' led islamization, the role of the local NGO, and most importantly the Gujjar responses to Deobandi reforms. Here is the brief abstract:

The religious identity of indegenous Gujjars in the Himilayan region remains largely unexplored. This book argues that their choice to associate with Deobandi Islam occurs in the wider context of conservation debates, local government-led efforts to relocate them from the Rajaji National Park in Uttarakhand, India, and the failure of NGOs to represent their interests. Based on documents and interviews, this detailed work explores both the continuing expansion of Deobandi reform and the responses of the Gujjars. It points toward the role of Islam in integrating marginal groups in South Asia.

Singh, David Emmanuel, Islamization in Modern South Asia: Deobandi Reform and the Gujjar Response (Berlin: Walter de Gruyter; forthcoming in August 2012)

You can see more on my monograph at: http://www.degruyter.com/view/product/183513?onlyResultQuery=gujjars

David singh2000 (talk) 15:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Thanks, but that would violate our policy on links to avoid (#6). Celestra (talk) 18:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 May 2012
Late Shri. Gajraj Bahadur Nagar (founder Delhi University President, Cabinet Minister in Haryana Govt. in late 1970s and Early 1980s). Prominent Gurjar Leader from Dist. Faridabad, who conducted numerous development projects in the State of Haryana as Cabinet Minister.

Anubhavnaagar (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done: I cannot understand what you are saying or what you want to be changed. Ryan Vesey Review me!  20:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Merger suggestion
I suggest merger of Gurjar with Gujjar. All content in the article needs to be reviewed. Thanks. --&#61; No &#124;&#124;&#124; Illusion &#61; (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra

Haryana.
The main gotras of Gurjars of Haryana are:Ambavata(1 village in Gurgaon Ullawass and 2nd is Jonapur in Delhi), Chaprana (1 Village Mevla-Maharajpur), Basista/Bosatta (2 villages- Siha & Khatela), Bhadana (14 villages), Tanwar ( villages- Karna, Rampur), Kasana, Mavi (10 Village), Nagar (84 villages), Khatana (village Rithauz and 11 more), Dhakar (7 Village), Baisla (26 village), Phagna (1 Village) and Poswal (3 village), Chhokar 51 village in Panipat Rawal (81 village),Mundan(panwar),Devdhar,Rawat in yamunanagar,ambala disst., Chandila (5 villages)n chechi(25 villages), Chauhans (near Hissar).

Please post valid stuff only
If gurgoan is not dominated by gujjars then why these area has MLAs and MPs Avatar Singh Bhadana, Krishna Pal Gurjar and In Delhi 4 gujjar MLAs who are gujjars. I request you to brush up your knowledge before you post. I can't say gurgoan is dominated by gujjars but gurgaon,faridabad,ghaziabad, NOIDA, meerut and many areas of delhi are populated by gujjars thats why we have gujjar ministers. Please refer gujjar wikipedia and their population distribution among various states of India. You wouldn't believe but there are 70 villages which are densely populated by only gujjars in Delhi Only.

A man from Matrix (talk) 12:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

The numbers in bold may also be incorrect or assumed.My Question and concern is till the time there is no refrence, we should remove numbers in "Bold". Because as far i am correct Wiki doesn't write artices without "credible refrences".

--Rocker2820 (talk) 12:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)== Edit request on 5 September 2012 ==

there is 1 village of bhati gurjars "HARI NAGAR GAON" in south delhi near delhi(badarpur)-haryana (faridabaad) border after mithapur village and before jaitpur village on the bus route...and very close to Aali gaon,just behind it,seperated by the agra canal...this harinagar village was founded by my forefathers 150-200 years ago...

1.23.147.152 (talk) 11:39, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed three unsourcd sections. If I missed others, please post here again. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Changes in the introductory section
I would like to suggest a few changes in the introductory section of the page, as follows:


 * As per my knowledge, gujjar/gurjar is not an etnic group but a caste/clan. Ethnic group is group of people based on culture/region but gujjar is a caste. Some may argue that then how gujjars are found in muslims,hindu and sikhs.It is exactly for the same reason that jats and rajputs are found in hindus as well as sikhs. Please look into the matter.


 * And another thing that I think should be changes is the way we introduce the caste in the same paragraph. Writing ,"Today, the Gurjars are classified under the Other Backward Class (OBC) category in some states in India.[2] However, in Jammu and Kashmir and parts of Himachal Pradesh, they are designated as a Scheduled Tribe under the Indian government's reservation program of positive discrimination." is not an appropriate way to do so because in a way, it affects the social image if the people belonging to the caste but not belonging to any such reserved groups. Added to it, it spoils the harmony because this makes the community to be looked at in a very different perspective that is not intended by any article of wikipedia. If the information is that important and has to be shared, then it can be shared at a different position in the article because sharing it here means it is the only important we know about gurjar clan.

I hope the admin(s) of the article will look into the article and do the needful changes. Thanks and keep up the good work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.84.85 (talk) 20:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * On the first point, we use "ethnic group" to mean "any general grouping of people that have been grouped by one society or another". It doesn't specifically mean anything related to religion or culture. The reason we don't use clan/caste is specifically because of that slash: some sources call them a caste, and others a clan, and without knowing which, we can't be more specific. On the second point, the information is verified in a reliable source. Our purpose is not to create harmony--it's to provide reliable information about subjects in a neutral matter. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, I know that Wikipedia is not here to spread harmony. As I said, I am not against sharing of that particular piece of information but what I mean to say is, that information may be verified/correct but that doesn't make it important enough to be the part of introductory paragraph. And since you've mentioned about neutrality, I take this liberty to introduce to you some important points one must never forget about wikipedia, please read about neutral point of view : WP:NPOV, due and undue weight: WP:DUE , WP:WEIGHT , WP:UNDUE. Or you may perhaps, also like to read about article structure here : WP:STRUCTURE.
 * I am new to wikipedia, but I've gone through many(if not all) guideline articles. I see, you are an experienced contributor, but I've a lot of knowledge about Indian history and culture and want to contribute. If you don't agree with me, then we can definitely have a discussion here to reach a consensus. Stating that this article is neutral won't help because this article need to be edited to make it neutral as per wiki standards. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.77.142 (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if the point is to keep it but move it out of the lead, I could see that as being reasonable. Do you think we should make a new subsection in History (something like "Present"), or add it to the beginning of the India section? Qwyrxian (talk) 01:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Leads are supposed to summarise the article but I think this OBC/ST etc stuff is somewhat toxic if placed there. Not as toxic as varna, for which there is consensus to exclude, but sufficiently so that it can be left in the article body unless there is an extremely good cause for highlighting it (eg: if there is a campaign by the group to have themselves reclassified - there have been at least 1200 of these). - Sitush (talk) 14:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)


 * It can be a good idea to place it in the India section. I see that otherwise also this information has been included under different states. So, implicitly this information is being delivered to the readers. If in case, it is to be done explicitly as well, then we can do so in the end of Indian section and but that would make the article redundant be because as for eg.: ''Himachal Pradesh

As of 2001, the Gurjars in parts of Himachal Pradesh were classified as a Scheduled Tribe.''. What do you suggest? Lets remove it from the intro part and let it be under different states info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.241.114 (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and moved it from the lead into the India section, but I don't mind if someone wants to further modify it. The Times article is behind a paywall, so I can't see it. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Gurjara
I may be wrong about this but isn't Gurjara the more common spelling? It is certainly the more correct, going by Devanagari transliteration. Why isn't this article named Gurjara instead? Morinae (talk) 11:19, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There are all sorts of spellings, eg: Gujjar is another. You'd have to provide some evidence for a name change - my gut instinct is that Gurjar is by far the most common in English-language academic usage, beyond which I rarely look. - Sitush (talk) 11:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk page behaviour
Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Please do not use CAPITAL LETTERS unnecessarily in your messages. It is considered to be shouting.
 * When making statements, please do provide reliable sources to support your claim, and note that the ethnographies produced during the British Raj period are not reliable. If you cannot provide a source then there is no point raising a dispute regarding a factual statement.
 * Please try to avoid terms such as "idiot" and avoid denigrating other communities. Neither are conducive to collegial development of the article - and that is what Wikipedia is all about.