Talk:Gusle

origin?
Serbs, did you bring that with you from Russia? I would love to know its ultimate origin. Keep it Fake (talk) 03:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

All facts point to yes. The Gusle's closest instrument relatives are the Morin Khuur and Igil, both ancient steppe fiddles, accompanied with singing, and strangely enough the same animal-head design at the head of the instrument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.47.124 (talk) 06:48, 24 September 2011 (UTC) <!--Autosigned by SineBot-

Please, do not pay attention to Serbs

blanking
Sorry for blanking this page a minute back... I thought this was too obscure to have an article. 128.205.139.83 23:59, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

national applicability
It is highly questionable to call the instrument „Croatian Gusle“ or „Montenegrin Gusle“ since Serbs are actually the only ones to play Gusle. They're firmly connected to Serbian history, culture and tradition and both in Croatia and Montenegro, as well as anywhere else, it is Serbs, Orthodox or Catholic, who play them.

I am sure this article therefore needs revising. I would do it myself, but unfortunately my english is not good enough. Untill then, I call upon all who read it to be more then carefull in using of the informations they will find here. --87.116.167.172 10:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Where do you live? If you live in the Greaterserbian myths, than stay there and stay away from here. You simply can't live with the fact that Croats are their own people. People that has nothing more with Serbs than with Slovenians. The areas, where Croats play gusle as instrument, are core of Croathood, core of medieval Croat state. If you can't live with that fact, that's your problem. But don't lie to readers here. Kubura 22:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha, sorry, but there's not any 'Greatserbian myths' in the fact that Gusle are Serbian national instrument. The only nonsense 'myths' is your SICK propaganda, coming from your sick brain, which will not work here anymore. Croats and Serbs speak SAME LANGUAGE and many anthropologists and other scientists consider them as a SAME NATION, while Slovenians are TOTALY different from them, both-linguistically and anthropologically. Serbs and Croats have gusle, NOT Slovenians, they have NEVER HEARD about gusle!!!Ha, ha, That is a fact and obviously IT IS KILLING YOU. That's why you still spread your pathetic lies, because you cannot face the truth. Whatever you say is full of hatred and evil, but be sure that everything bad you say from now on will return to you like a boomerang. Cheers.24.86.110.10 (talk) 09:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Since it's 'Serbian,' did you bring that with you from Russia or borrowed it from the natives?

Keep it Fake (talk)


 * What natives? Romans? Only people in the area at the time were sparse Roman forts, there was one in Belgrade for example. No the instrument is a Serb transfer invention based on the Byzantine string instruments played in Bulgaria. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 14:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of nationalism and mythomania, I think it is obvious who is seduced by extreme point of view - you, not me. Of course Croats have nothing to do with Serbs, as much as Serbs don't have anything to do with Croats. And further more, I really don't know which "core" of your nationalistic hateful nation you're talking about. If it's Zagorje, wich really is nucleus of croatian teritorry (in fact, the only undisputable cratian teritorry, not claimed by genocide), then I think we both know gusle have never been played there. And if you speak of Dalmacija as a "croatian land" than you're the one who is fooling the readers by his ignorance. You must know, and I'm sure that you do, that Dalmacija's Croats are in the percentage as high as 70% are really of serbian origin. And so is the so-called "croatian gusle", a real oximoron.--89.216.177.210 23:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

this is probably the most twisted and hateful post against croatia i've ever read. i hope that people who are not familiar with greater serbian nationalism greater serbian mythology won't take it seriously. 84.72.158.15 09:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Let it stay as a proof of Serbian expansionism, Serbian stereotypes and anti-Croat histery. Otherwise, the English-speaking readers wouldn't believe us. They don't understand Serbian mythomany, built on myths based on false grounds, that started greaterserbian aggresion on Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Serbs can't live with the fact that southern Croatia was a nucleus of early medieval Kingdom of Croatia. That the first mentioning of the word "Croat" is in southern Croatia. That the first capital cities of Croatia were in Croatian south. That Croatian hardliners come from southern Croatia. Kubura
 * "That Croatian hardliners come from southern Croatia." Outsider complex ;) --79.101.87.209 (talk) 12:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Albanian and Croatian paragraphs
Alright, someone deleted the paragraphs about Albanian and Croatian Gusle. The reason why someone would do that will remain a mystery to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.57.7.208 (talk) 06:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Moved the page to Lahuta/Gusle. The instrument is the same, however the Albanian name is extremely important, so there should be both names pointing to the instrument.sulmues--Sulmues 18:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * 20:32, 11 January 2010 Sulmues m (10,086 bytes) (moved Gusle to Lahuta/Gusle: The Albanian Lahute has been used since Illyrian times when there was no gusle in the Balkans yet. The slavs came to Balkans in VIIth century)


 * Please don't base article title choices on what looks better for Albanian-Illyrian continuity.
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=lahuta%20-wikipedia 142k results
 * http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=gusle%20-wikipedia 212k results
 * That alone doesn't support putting the Albanian term first. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 16:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

No the instrumet was here when serbs came from rusia.they have taken this from albanians Albdeagle (talk) 19:37, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Edits
Hi. I did some edits basically stylistic ones and some inclusion of terminology regarding epic and folk instruments. I would like to do more but do not want to step on anyones toes. My background is Ukrainian. I studied musicology and am well versed in Ukrainian epic and folk instruments. I can understand the South Slavic languages however I cannot speak them fluently. I do find the constant use of ethnonyms throughout the article somewhat distracting. Bandurist (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Gusle versus Guslar
Currently guslar is linked from this article as a circular redirect back to itself. I was going to remove it, but I wonder if we need a separate entry for the guslari. It looks like there used to be one, but I couldn't find a discussion as to why it was removed/redirected to Gusle. I'll leave it for now and do some research to see if guslar merits a separate article. SheepNotGoats (talk) 17:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, do not pay attention to Serbs nor their propaganda
Gusle is an instrument coming from Dinarid region and it is played by Montenegrins, Serbs, Croats and Albanians... enough! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokonja (talk • contribs) 13:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Dispute on Croatian Gusle Section
At first, this section has no references at all.

Secondly, from this sentence "who played an important role in Croatian history (often folk heroes who died tragical deaths, such as hajduks)" someone draws the misleading conclusion that hajduks in Krajina were Croats, though they were Serbs keeping the borders of Austria-Hungaria."The whole period from the fifteenth to the nineteenth centuries was filled with the constant revival of the epic recollections concerning the existence of the once great and powerful Serbian medieval state. It was accompanied by constant liberation movements within the possibilities of the territories where the Serbs had settled, in two particular fashions. The haiduks ("outlaws") battled within the interior of the occupied lands. The uskoks ("border raiders") fought in the peripheral territories, all along the military border from Varadin and Karlovac in the North, in Senj, Udbina, Kotari, Makarska and Gabela in the South all the way to Boka Kotorska and Montenegro. Later, the Military Border would stretch all along the Sava, Tisza and Muresul, up to north Banat. A special army was formed along the borders. The commonplace heroism of the two types can be differentiated in its effects, a fact, which is clearly seen from the poems." reference: Nada Milošević-Đorđević, "The oral tradition" (Chapter from the book "The history of Serbian Culture"), Published by:Porthill Publishers, Middiesex 1995. http://www.rastko.rs/isk/nmilosevic-oral_tradition.html Also see article: John Miles, Literary art and oral tradition in Old English and Serbian poetry,Anglo-Saxon England / Volume 12 / December 1983, pp 183-214.

Thirdly, there is a contradiction by saying that the musician Marko Perković Thompson incorporates Gusle music with his band. He has a fasistic music band, as one can see at the wikipedia article about him, being against Serbian (and Jewish) minority in Croatia. Gusle is part of the Serbian Cultural heritage and there must be showed strong facts, that he really played gusle instrument and sang the Serbian oral traditional poems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvChris (talk • contribs) 16:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The "info" given by IvChris is totally false, he appropriates hajduks, uskoks and the parts of Croatian territory as Serbian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.239.224 (talk) 10:46, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Names in different languages
There should not be a "Macedonian", Bulgarian, and "Bosnian" version of the name in the introduction. Gusle is not played or part of the culture of the former two, and Gusle is not traditionally a part of the Muslim Bosnian culture or identity, in addition to the fact that putting "Bosnian" is redundant. 64.203.15.55 (talk) 18:47, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Totally agree with you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IvChris (talk • contribs) 17:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Is lahuta same as gusle?
There are sources in which gusle and lahuta are treated as same but many sources written by authors who know Albanian tradition very well do not say it is same but similar. I.e.:



--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Heej, well, if it is "similar", then it's obviously not the same. And should not be in this article! -- WhiteWriterspeaks 22:19, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If lahuta is almost the same or if it is a variant of gusle then it is not necessary to remove it from the article but to add the differences from gusle. Does anybody know what are differences between lahuta and gusle?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 23:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The only difference I can see between the lahuta and the Gusle is in the manner they are played - lahuta is octosyllabic verse, Gusle decasyllabic, and the lahuta players use their intermediate phalanges to play, and Gusle players, their Distal phalanges. Critikal1 (talk) 23:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The sources refer to the instrument, not to the manner they are played.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 00:06, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

This article is a horrible hodgepodge
This article is a horrible hodgepodge in style, quality of info and consistency. It has parts that are highly informative and obviously written by experts, intersperced with illiterate blabber in words that are not aligned in sentences with various foreign words thrown in throughout without any real reason and it need serious reworking. Apparently it is a result of the introduction of a foreign element to the original text, such as references to soemthign called "lahute" throughout without any rational justification or references.

Perhaps separating Gusle from Lahute aqs two articles and then cleaning the Gusle article would do the trick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.111.1 (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2018 (UTC)