Talk:Gustav Adolf von Götzen

First European
NO European set foot in Rwanda until as late as 1894? Is this really true? Why so late? Badgerpatrol 03:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Because the area is actually notoriously hard to reach - it's over 1000 miles from the coast (with Lake Victoria in the way) and in extremely hilly territory. This was one of the reasons the kingdom was so strong as it was relatively safe from outside threats. I think Rwanda would have been largely jungle and montane forest at the time too. It was only with the building of the railways from Dar es Salaam to Kigoma and from Mombasa to western Uganda that Rwanda became easily accessible to the outside world. &mdash; SteveRwanda 06:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Was he related to Götzen Iturbide Imperial Family of Mexico?
 * I don't know for certain, but it seems likely - looking at this family tree for Maximiliano Graf von Goetzen-Iturbide, it seems his grandfather was called Hubert Graf von Götzen and his great-grandfather Gustav Graf von Götzen. Since Hubert was born in 1869 I would hazard a guess that he is the younger brother of this Gustav Adolf (born 1866), and hence would be Maximilian's great uncle but that's not a fact I'm certain of! &mdash; SteveRwanda 07:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Title
Hmm should it really say Count Gustav Adolf Graf von Götzen? Since graf is count in english that seams weird to me. Okey on later thought im going to change it to Count Gustav Adolf von Götzen and then removing the Graf part. Since this is an enlish encyclopedia i supose that would be the correct form. He could probably be refered to as Graf von Götzen in germany but i cant see a reason for it to say so in here.

Count Gustav Adolf von Götzen <- English form? Gustav Adolf Graf von Götzen

Please correct me if im wrong. OfFire 19:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, you're absolutely right. My German is obviously rustier than I thought! I was assuming Graf was part of his name, as in Steffi Graf. Well done. &mdash; SteveRwanda 07:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)