Talk:Guy Bavli/Archive 1

Previous Deletions
This page was previously deleted because of advertising/promotion violations. Because Mr. Bavli passes the well-known person test, I have restarted the page in a manner keeping with the Wikipedia policies. Eclipsed (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Photo
The current photo is non-free. We need a better free media photo. Eclipsed (talk) 01:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * New photo added, free-media copyright, attribution required. Eclipsed (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Free-media photo added one of Mr. Bavli's live acts. Graceconcepcionr (talk) 07:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the 2 flikr photos on ? Those are marked "copyright all rights reserved" so we can't use them :(  Eclipsed (talk) 15:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

More sections
I added in a few more sections, but we still need better references and lots of copy editing. Eclipsed (talk) 12:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Anyone know details about performances done for episode 3 and 4 on Phenomenon? There's no details about it yet on this page.  Eclipsed (talk) 03:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Should we put something about the stop sign bending on the spoon bending page? like... In episode 4 of the American tv-show [Phenomenon], November 14, 2007, [Guy Bavli] bent a [stop sign] before a live audience. According to Uri Geller, member of the judge, his “best performance yet”. This performance won Bavli his wildcard after receiving a shared smallest amount of votes. Eclipsed (talk) 19:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Guy also did infomercials for Princes kitchen appliances in Holland, and Verde Fresh Box. Haven't found a good reference yet. Eclipsed (talk) 19:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Guy also did a show/shows with Banachek in Vegas, with Jum Karol / M3. Eclipsed (talk) 19:28, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Added the information that Guy has a daughter who's also into mentalism. Haengbokhada (talk) 21:05, 15 October 2010 (UTC+8)

More deatils of Phenomenon episode 3 Haengbokhada (talk)180.190.183.170 (talk) 01:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I added some references and corrected some grammar and spelling issues for this article. Rejisama (talk) 03:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC+8)


 * Guy was with a show with Banachek with Jum Karol named M3 Purely Mental which was aired last spring this year. Graceconcepcionr (talk) 07:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC+8)

More info and reference to the Phenomenon show.Haengbokhada (talk) 05:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Added Filmography Haengbokhada (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

Cleaning for NPOV
Lots of NPOV cleanups required. I did a few, but still some more on the page. Eclipsed (talk) 17:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Bit better now, but still needs some edits to Other career highlights section Eclipsed (talk) 03:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I did some edits to Other career highlights section. Haengbokhada (talk) 01:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I did some more. No major NPOV errors on the page now.  Eclipsed (talk) 19:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I corrected some minor grammatical errors, mostly articles. Haengbokhada (talk) 20:59, 15 October 2010 (UTC+8)

List of videos
Should we add a list of videos to the page? Here's a starting list: Eclipsed (talk) 12:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPD4qg8KYKo Live Israeli election prediction
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjTuYsy7NKg Heart stop
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKPJz5j5Z0 spoon bending Austria TV
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bxxNk_tEWA ? tv
 * http://www.youtube.com/user/thephenomenonguy Youtube channel
 * http://video.tellytube.in/video/zsOvs5dKIOI/Guy-Bavli-Master-of-the-Mind-Phenomenon-NBC.html phenomenon
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbC6zBfgCVo israeli tv segment about Guy, with call in from Uri Geller
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-boHXU1W8&feature=player_embedded#! spanish tv show showing his skill Graceconcepcionr (talk) 00:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

possible references
Some possible references. Some might already be used on the page...
 * http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/san-diego-jewish-archives/071119-jewish-mon200.html
 * http://magic.about.com/b/2007/11/15/phenomenon-week-4.htm
 * http://www.magicwebchannel.com/elm/769.htm
 * http://www.miamilifemagazine.com/special_feature_guy_bavli.html where guy is named 'MASESTRO DE LA MENTE' (master of the mind)
 * http://www.linkedin.com/in/guybavli
 * http://www.all-about-magicians.com/guy-bavli.html
 * http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=315426&forum=268
 * http://www.magic.forgecom.info/BackIss30.htm cover of magicseen magazine
 * http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2009-02-01/features/0901300029_1_magic-heart-hand interview 2009
 * http://www.myspace.com/guybavli
 * http://www.magicwebchannel.com/elm/769.htm
 * http://www.keyspeakers.com/bio.php?2199-guy-bavli  speakinginfo
 * http://www.israelcentersf.org/culture/2004-2005/performing-arts.asp
 * http://www.magician.org/portal/en/node/576/#16

Eclipsed (talk) 12:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering if we could use those spanish links as references here for some of the shows he did in South America. Haengbokhada (talk) 21:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC+8)

Added some references for the shows Guy made in South America.The pages are in Spanish though Haengbokhada (talk) 13:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Quotes
Dan Shillon - Channel 2 (Israel) Eclipsed (talk) 12:49, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "I want to know how you could predict the election results... Amazing, Amazing, Amazing!"


 * Guy is also quoted/talked about in 1 or more of Uri Gellers books. Not sure which one/ones exactly.  Eclipsed (talk) 19:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Guy was quoted on Uri Geller's book Magician or Msytic.  Graceconcepcionr (talk) 19:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

He is an amazing performer!" Uri Geller (UK) Graceconcepcionr (talk) 00:24 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "Guy is a MASTER in mind over matter...there is an Enigmatic Personality in him...

List of Magic Tricks
Should Guy's inventions be listed on List_of_magic_tricks ? Eclipsed (talk) 22:25, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

DVD's
Guy is in a DVDs, such as 'Between 2 Minds' Eclipsed (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Guy is in Bending Minds, Bending Metals DVD Graceconcepcionr (talk) 00:19, 16 October 2010(UTC)

spanish translation
Guy now has a spanish language website, Maestro de la mente. How do we submit a wikipedia tranlsation request to es.wikipedia ? Eclipsed (talk) 09:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Magic Collaboration of the Week
I nominated this page as the Magic Collaboration of the Week. If you agree, please add your vote to the nomination. The Magic collab project seems a bit lethargic with little activity in past few years. Maybe we can revive it... Eclipsed (talk) 09:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Revive Guy Bavli's Magic collaboration project need more votes. Graceconcepcionr (talk) 07:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC+8)

Videos
I Think it's possible to put some videos of Guy at Wikimedia commons.Haengbokhada (talk) 13:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If they are a suitable free license, then yes.     Eclipsed   (t)     21:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

COI
Are the three participants here paid editors, and do you work with each other? Fences &amp;  Windows  02:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I think you got the count wrong (should be more then 3) But yes -- commercial editors contributed to this article.  I'm in discussions now with a few admins / OTRS volunteers about the best way to do COI tagging without violating WP:NOTADVERTISING.
 * There's also been some discussions about the "amount of use" of this talk page. I'm open to suggestions on that, and would use any consensus on that matter as a basis for future training.
 * Thanks for your help!    Eclipsed   (talk)   (code of ethics)     14:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

copyright violation/close paraphrasing of an unreliable source
Quite a few sections of the article have been copied or closely paraphrased from this source which is not a reliable source, being maintained by one person and probably based on the magicians' own information. I've removed the most blatant violations, but more work may need to be done. SmartSE (talk) 18:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Good catch. The article has been rewritten a bit, and the references cleaned up also.  More may still be needed...     Eclipsed   (talk)   (COI Declaration)     21:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The WP:COIN notice for this article was archived without further comment.  Based on changes made, I will remove the  and  tags in a few days, unless there are any suggestions for more cleanup.     Eclipsed   (talk)   (COI Declaration)     04:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There is still a lot of unsourced material. E.g. "Bavli moved to the United States in 2002. He is married and has a daughter." and most of the awards + media appearances too. As a general rule of thumb, I prefer there to have been secondary coverage of things like these as well to show that the awards/appearances are worthy of inclusion. At the moment it looks a lot like a CV. (It's best too if you don't remove COI tags from articles where you obviously have a COI as well) SmartSE (talk) 12:15, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pointers. About a year has passed since we last chatted, WP:NORUSH ;)  The article now has sources for the move to the USA and two children (primary, secondary).  A few other editors made some changes, but no one has tackled the WP:WEIGHT issue with the awards/appearances list yet.
 * Also, I added a Connected contributor template above on this talk page. Are there any outstanding issues not being addressed that would warrant the continued  tag on the article?  Thanks. Eclipsed   (talk)   (COI Declaration)   21:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

The issue is that the bottom part of it does still read like a resume. Usually, the best method to avoid this is to put everything into a prose format, rather than a bullet point format. Also, to have a few overall section headings and lower headings below that, not have everything be a level 2 section heading. Silver seren C 17:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * copied current article to my sandbox at User:Eclipsed/Guy Bavli. I'll do some editing on it soon, but in the meantime anyone else is free to edit the draft (If you are connected to the subject, please first add yourself to the  tag on the bottom of the draft.)  Thanks.  Eclipsed   (talk)   (COI Declaration)   21:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)