Talk:Gwen Ffrangcon-Davies

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Should not this be spelled fFrangcon Davies? I thought that was the convention for all those British names that start with two F's (such as fFoulkes)...

Paul Magnussen (talk) 00:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Certainly in this case that's the correct spelling, or at least the spelling she always used. I think it's actually usually "ffoulkes" without a capital letter at all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

You are probably thinking about some English aristocratic surnames which start "ff". However this is a Welsh name, which would follow normal capitalisation. Although, do we have a definitive answer to whether her surname had a hyphen? Her IMDB entry has no hyphen, the Wikipedia biography of her father does not have one in his name. PatGallacher (talk) 13:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography does give both her and her father a hyphen, and I'd take that as a far more reliable source than either the IMDb or (sadly) Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * At least three sources (but not the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography) name both her and her father David Ffrangçon-Davies, using a "c with cedilla" character ç (used in French, but pronounced as the English sibilant s) that I've never seen before in any other British name. These three are all visible at Google Books online:
 * [Bernard Shaw and the BBC, by Leonard W. Conolly https://books.google.com.au/books?id=hUf-dtEYU98C&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=Gwen+ffrang%C3%A7on-Davies&source=bl&ots=RSUsqKebTN&sig=ACfU3U0W1SBQ5G23JPubwRQg1uVYwov3KQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji2Ie_6-jgAhVHfn0KHW2VASUQ6AEwCXoECA4QAQ#v=onepage&q=Gwen%20ffrang%C3%A7on-Davies&f=false ]
 * [Otherwise Engaged: The Life of Alan Bates, by Donald Spoto https://books.google.com.au/books?id=yawlAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT36&lpg=PT36&dq=Gwen+ffrang%C3%A7on-Davies&source=bl&ots=Z_5ve4FFsG&sig=ACfU3U0azKt2m2e-ZY7DZILiR_wsc5OZAg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji2Ie_6-jgAhVHfn0KHW2VASUQ6AEwCnoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=Gwen%20ffrang%C3%A7on-Davies&f=false ]
 * [Shared Histories: Transatlantic Letters Between Virginia Dickinson Reynolds …, by Virginia Dickinson Reynolds, Virginia Potter https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UyHZS8s5W6IC&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=Gwen+ffrang%C3%A7on-Davies&source=bl&ots=DHX4dQMw3g&sig=ACfU3U2ufeK5FCQg2K1jJ2ScPpV2CI7cNg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji2Ie_6-jgAhVHfn0KHW2VASUQ6AEwC3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=Gwen%20ffrang%C3%A7on-Davies&f=false ]


 * tho' the second doesn't hyphenate it, and the third stumbles over the duplication (three occurrences, two with Ff and one with F alone). So I'm wondering why these sources do use it, while the Oxford DNB doesn't?  yoyo (talk) 17:50, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Her father David's 1905 book on singing gives his name as having a hyphen — see, for example, [the Internet archive's copies of that book https://archive.org/search.php?query=David%20Ffrangcon%20Davies]. yoyo (talk) 03:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)