Talk:Gyaru

Lack of cultural and personality based information
A very high percentage -maybe even almost all of it- focuses on Gyaru as a fashion style. Thought this might be the external manifestation of it, Gyaru culture is very different from Japanese mainstream culture. Articles and informative videos everywhere talk about the big differences between traditional Japanese culture, manners, formalities, social conventions, and how Gyaru do away with many aspects of it. I believe someone with first hand knowledge regarding this subculture should add a *Cultural and Personality* section to the article. Melvin.Udal.Clarck (talk) 16:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It would probably to overhaul the page based on the Japanese Wikipedia equivalent, which cites plenty of local sources as references https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ギャル.
 * A good chunk of the "styles" currently listed on the page don't even exist in Japan under the names used here. 2A02:8388:A0C0:9880:EA74:E1DF:641F:8780 (talk) 22:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

"Gyaru" Etymology
In studying Japanese history, I've run into the term "MoGa" -- from "Modern Girl", which dates back to the 1920's Taisho-era adoption of flapper aesthetics by a prominent subculture of (primarily) urban women. Barbara Sato has a book commenting largely on this phenomenon: http://wwwsshe.murdoch.edu.au/intersections/issue9/wilson_review.html

It has always been my impression that all subsequent "Gal" terminologies originated from this one, but the gap is a wide one.... Does anyone have further information about this? Speaker59 19:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

This page needs more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.191.8 (talk) 20:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Outdated?
This article says Ganguro is outdated, but the article on Ganguro says it "peaked in popularity around the year 2000, but remains evident today." I don't know which is correct, but they seem to clash. Sik2thestomach 02:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. It is alive and very much current.Melvin.Udal.Clarck (talk) 16:03, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

should this bit be here?
I know nothing about this article, but should this be in the article: "The most respected Gal-cir is Angeleek; there are 22 members in their Tokyo group, and they have many other groups throughout the country." Could somebody who knows more remove this if it is wrong? Mathmo Talk 23:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

"Gyaru-kei"
Gyaru-kei would actually just refer to the gyaru style in general, encompassing all sub-groups. -kei usually indicates a type or a style.

Really the whole page should be called "Gyaru-kei"

Source: Japanese major, living in Japan, engage heavily in amateur modern anthropology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.185.226.212 (talk) 03:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Evidence?
Where is the evidence that gyaru is not just a Japanized version of "girl" rather than "gal"? Japanizations are ambiguous. What is the evidence that the modern gyaruzu know anything about a 1970's line of jeans? Is it not possible for a foreign word to be introduced to Japan multiple times, via different pathways, and under more than one katakana spelling? I would hazard to guess that more Japanese people know the basic English word "girl" than "gal", from exposure to English in school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.139.122.42 (talk) 19:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually
The person who's trying to fix this, know what their talking about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.191.8 (talk) 23:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

gaaru
Why is the term 'gaaru' explained here? It doesn't seem to directly relate to 'gyaru.'--Slowlikemolasses (talk) 03:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

manba?
There are two style definitions that refer to "manba" style in the article, but no entry for manba style itelf. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.242.81 (talk) 04:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

The advertising slogan: "I can't live without men", but is this the right slogan?
I recently found that illusive jeans brand and it's advertising for the inspiration of gyaru being the term gals. The tag-line was "Levi's for Gals" beginning from 1968. But the advertisment 'I can't live without men' is no where to be found on the internet; or in the Levi's fandom wiki at least. The only thing I could find is the commercial using "When a man loves a woman" by Percy Sledge from there which was durring 1987 but uses the 1950's as a set piece but uses a song from the 60's.
 * So apparently recently this has become a failed verification... But does the slogan 'I can't live without men' appear anywhere on a commercial during the Heisei era or even before that because I can't find anything remotely close to that tag-line anywhere... Please correct me if I am wrong!

Web archived explanation on Gyaru...
Hopefully it still works. It gives a brief explanation but is also look through a participants glasses; Rose coloured glasses basically anyway link. whatisgyaru.tumblr.com/post/16005345416/what-is-gyaru — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.110.61 (talk) 19:27, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Scandal section has bad translation
Probably some other sections are similarly poorly worded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolent Prawn (talk • contribs) 04:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I reduced the emotiveness and use of informal language of the addition in 2021, as Wikipedia requires encyclopedia format to be followed.

International televised viewing of gyaru; in Chinese (?)
There is an MTV segment that talks about gyaru and mostly Tsubasa Masuwaka which is either from China, Hong Kong, Taiwan or I could be an entirely wrong but I presume it is a Chinese spoken segment. Due to my lack of knowledge from where or what they are saying I would rather leave a link to whoever knows more about this segment and would like to help broaden this article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjtVu816qgk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.99.169.177 (talk) 01:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * This whole channel has at least four videos on the subject. Whoever speaks Chinese (?) should help with translating so it could be added to the article please. https://www.youtube.com/user/azuren89498354/videos 46.244.6.130 (talk) 16:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

"See Also" section with unrelated references
These following "See Also" references have no or little association with the article:

Bullying

Child prostitution

Facisim

Enjo kōsai

Child Grooming;gyaru-moji, a type of lettering used in mobile Japanese mobile phone to secertly messages by girls to men

JK business

Prostitution

Sex work

Pimping

Zettai ryōiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.91.232.73 (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Gyaru moji is an actual thing created by gyaru though the article isn't updated. Facisim due to an image of gyaru being near a swastika flag, enjo kōsai and JK business has always been present meaning that sex work prositution sugar babies/daddies or pimping is present. This also doesn't help with mago gyaru meaning that grooming and child prositution exists as well. Bullying is known and a common thing that happens within the gyaru community in Japan and abroad. I could see Zettai ryōiki as unnecessary. 46.244.6.130 (talk) 07:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

shorter
The article is much too long due to excessive writing regarding tangential subjects. Therefore, I am shortening it. Jellysandwich0 (talk) 01:06, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Split into different articles?
I think the substyles section may be too long, so we should split it into another article. Maybe "Substyles of gyaru" or something. Adding onto the topic above there is a lot of information on subjects with really not much relating to gyaru. I will go edit some of that.

And ESPECIALLY with the influence in media, there is just too much and I think it would help to cut out some of it. Scrappy 19:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I have a draft for commercial media; should general influences be also be separate? 80.57.242.245 (talk) 19:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)