Talk:H-E-B

Something is missing in this article - NPOV!
I lived in Corpus Christi in the early 70s and H. E. Butt dominated the politics of the place with some sort of tie-in to the Southern Baptists. The company did not sell alcohol but had another chain that did. It was my understanding that part of the promotion involved some sort of operating tie-in with the Baptists. Where is this other chain even mentioned in the article? The present article looks like a PR hand out from the company. I came to this article looking for information and all I found was advertising. Very little space is devoted to the history of the company - in fact it jumps from the founder to recent times - right over the very man who the chain is named after. There is no biography about H. E. Butt on Wikipedia. This article needs attention. 70.247.125.205 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Feel free to supplement this article with verifiable information about H-E-B in the 1970's from a reliable source. A Pattern O (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Huh? (I'm refering to the OP, not the comment above me).98.198.83.12 (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Revenue
in the HEB Mexico section, it states that 26.7% of 2006 revenue came from HEB Mexico operations. This is clearly a mistake on the part of Supermarket News, as in 2005 that figure was only 5%... I could believe 6.7%, but 26.7% is out of the question as only about 20 stores operate in Mexico, with the remaining 280+ operating throughout Texas. few (if any) stores were added to the HEB Mexico division, making this figure impossible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Topofthemarc (talk • contribs) 21:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Kosher store
It would be nice if someone (who enjoys research and writing more than I do) were to add a section about HEB's Kosher Store, the first kosher fresh meat market in Austin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gilmer (talk • contribs) 03:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Founding Problem
When and how was it founded? Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  01:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You mean when was HEB founded? The article states its Kerrville roots, but I couldn't really tell what specifically you are asking for, due to the briefness of your question.  However, off the top of my head (and I'll have to dig them up out of the Corpus Christi Caller's archives), HEB moved its headquarters to Corpus Christi sometime in the 1940s....and then in the 1990s it moved its headquarters to San Antonio (its current home).  In any event, the current "founding" history looks like it was copy/pasted from the company's website, but no citations were given. --Nsaum75 (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was trying to mean that I couldn't find alot of stuff about it's founding in the article. Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  12:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the briefness, I was in a hurry. Abce2 |  Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  12:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Improving article & disclosure of potential conflict
I'd like to make some improvements to this article, but I think the page needs a significant overhaul that will likely require the input of some other editors. I'm posting a note here, because H-E-B is a client of my employer, so others should be aware that I have a possible conflict of interest. I will closely follow WP:NOR, WP:SPAM, WP:NOT as well as WP:COI, and I want to let be known that my main goal is to make this article more accurate and informative, while cutting out the information that may not be appropriate for Wikipedia. I would like to make some uncontroversial edits, that I will make sure to explain thoroughly - I will likely be toning down NPOV language, removing inaccurate and unsourced information, and adding some sources to the article to cite some unverified info; however, there are other larger edits that I wanted to discuss with the community as we work to make the H-E-B article more encyclopedic. If you have any questions or concerns about the article, or my work in general, just let me know. Thanks, Nanorlb (talk) 23:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * That being said, how do people feel about the fairly significant "Markets" section of the page? I'm honestly not too fond of it; I think it's a little NPOV to list all the markets and locations, especially in a section that goes largely unsourced. I can't think of any other companies or corporations who have so much space devoted to locations and markets; are there any other regional store chains who follow a similar format? No mention of regions or markets in the WikiProject Business content standards for companies, corporations, and economic information. Should the section be pared down, or simply removed? Thanks, Nanorlb (talk) 23:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about the Predatory Pricing accusations part. I'm pretty sure all large chains have had this occur, so why does this one get specific mention (it's in a law review, yeah, but as an example - they could have used Safeway or Wal-mart)? 98.198.83.12 (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree; not sure if the claims are substantial enough to warrant its own section. How do people feel about incorporating it into the "History" section? Let me know what you think. Nanorlb (talk) 20:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course it's substantial. Except for super wal-mart... there are no large grocery stores to speak of in San Antonio. And super wal-mart is not exactly competition... it pales in comparison to a real supermarket (like HEB). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.89.65 (talk) 02:17, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Legal name
H-E-B now legally goes by HEB Grocery Company, LP. Not sure it makes sense to cite the name change on the page, so I wanted to make the explanation here. Here are some recent examples of the use of the correct legal name:
 * http://www.heb.com/hebonline/page/about-us/company/terms-conditions
 * http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/10/10040503.pdf
 * http://www.progressivegrocer.com/print-article-priced_to_sell-589.html

Any questions or concerns, please let me know. Thanks, Nanorlb (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Article neutrality
Wanted to present a question to the editorial community - what steps can be taken to remove the neutrality tag from the top of the H-E-B article? I would love to continue working to move the article into a more neutral, more accurate and complete place. What can we remove? What NPOV language can we tone down? Interested to hear everyone's thoughts. Nanorlb (talk) 16:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure. The tag was added here by an anonymous editor that never responded to the questions above and did not touch the article again.  The history section could certainly be longer, but I'm not sure what that has to do with NPOV.  Yes, the article is getting a little fluffy (no offense), but I don't see anything horrible.  I would not be opposed to removing the tag.  Kuru   (talk)  20:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input, Kuru. I've just made an update to bring this article up a tad closer to an eventual goal of WP:GA status. As a start, the recent update consisted of:
 * bringing History section up to date, revised charitable paragraph to include an example (instead of just a vague claim). This replaced the donation to the art museum, which while excellent, belongs in the article about the chairman since he made the donation as an individual - not in coordination with H-E-B the company (the subject of this article)
 * cleaning up broken links in citations
 * fixing citation coding throughout
 * replacing citations such to promotional homebuilder websites with WP:RS


 * Going through these initial revisions, it is clear that the article still warrants a bit more attention - namely within the H-E-B section. This portion is off to a good start, but in multiple places within it there are unsourced statements - even an entirely unsourced paragraph (see "East Texas" heading). In addition to cleanup in the interest of readability and proper sourcing, perhaps it could benefit from a map image to better illustrate this aspect? If others have ideas, I'm all ears.
 * On a last note, regarding the neutrality tag, I chose not to remove it today -- but rather hope to discuss its removal in the next week or two after there is stronger WP:consensus on the Markets portion (which I will try to propose here on this Talk page next week). Cheers, Nanorlb (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Just following up here on the note above, as the article has had some changes implemented which I've thought carefully about for awhile. Reading through the article as of |Dec 15, it was clear that the subject of the article (H-E-B) had grown quite a bit over the past handful of years, and as a result this Wikipedia article grew in size along with it. A few years ago, it certainly made sense to subdivide the article based on geographic region; however as of 2010, H-E-B had expanded to a degree where the content within the "Markets" section was duplicative of that of the "Store formats" section. For example, the former "South Texas" subsection explained each and every H-E-B store in South Texas, which can be helpful at a certain point, but is not practical nor encyclopedic given that H-E-B now comprises 300 or so stores.


 * So in considering how to best address this I took to the manual of style, and also looked to other articles for section format ideas. The Wal-mart article - while not without issues in other sections - represents its geographical areas of operation and store formats together in one coherent, readable section: Wal-mart. The geographical details are detailed under each of the store-format subsections, in a chronological order. The revision implemented is a step towards a readable, yet still detailed article, and I remain open to recommendations that others have in reflecting this ever-growing subject. Best, Nanorlb (talk) 21:40, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Dead Link Citations Under "Litigation"
I noticed that under the topic "Litigation," none of the reference citation links (39-41) are active. I tried to search for the articles on the "MySanAntonio.com" website where they were originally located, as well as a web search engine, but could not find them. Normally, I would suggest removing the reference(s) and/or consider removing the text associated with the reference, but considering none of the references can be found that would mean removing the entire topic "Litigation." I certainly didn't want to do that without bringing it to everyone's attention. Suggestions? Cpuaggie (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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POV/extraneous material
This article reads like it was written by either HEB PR or someone closely associated with HEB. In addition parts read as lists and include info that has little to no value.

Finally a lot of cited material links to same newspaper writer. Not necessarily a bad thing, but something to point out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caffeyw (talk • contribs) 13:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Revisions
The company is alternately listed as 'HEB Grocery Company, LP' and 'H-E-B Grocery Company, LP' at the top-left and top-right of the page, though both are no longer correct. The company changed its name to 'H-E-B, LP' on July 18, 2018, so the correct name needs to be updated throughout. Also, the subsidiaries listed under the 'Operations' section don't match with 'Subsidiaries' listed on the sidebar. The full list of subsidiaries is Central Market, Favor Delivery, Joe V's Smart Shop, Mi Tienda, which are 'H-E-B doing business as' and not separate entities. AnyWing Goes, Main Streat Food Hall, South Flo Pizza, True Texas BBQ are not subsidiaries but restaurants owned and run by H-E-B, LP.Sboston5 (talk) 21:08, 13 May 2021 (UTC)