Talk:HIV adult prevalence rate

Inaccurate map
Is the map accurate? For instance, why is Hainan Island colored in a different color from mainland China? They are both part of the communist-controlled part of China(P.R.C.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.114.216.62 (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Misleading graph/pic
Graph/pic should be of prevalance RATES and not absolute values, which could mislead. Very large countries like India, china will always have large numbers of anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.74.211.161 (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Vandalism on India!
Right now the page says 240,000,000 adult HIV patients, 40% of the population, in India. This is obviously way too high, it's eight times the world population of HIV positive.

I don't have the right data, but OMG, that needs to change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.237.145 (talk) 08:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks like this has been corrected. Emwu584 (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

data for Brazil
The table in the article quotes a 90% prevalence of HIV infected in Brazil!! I think this should be about 2.5% - can somebody who knows the correct figure edit this??


 * Looks like this has been corrected. Emwu584 (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dameunmate (talk • contribs) 18:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Considewring info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Brazil and the fact that it's ranked as 15th in population despite the number shown, it should be 660,000 people infected; I'll correct for that now.

189.68.207.187 (talk) 16:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Swaziland data
The Swaziland article states 42.6% HIV prevalence, this article only 36.8%. Should we use one data source for all the numbers (in which case the article should be WHO report Xś figures on HIV prevalence¨) or the best/latest/most accurate data sources? Ppe42 08:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

does anyone think serbia and montenegro should be further separeted? Qrc2006 22:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Not unless there is data available for them as separate entities. --Erielhonan 01:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Merging List of countries by people living with HIV/AIDS and List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate
Here's a proposal for merging the HIV/AIDS population ranking table with the HIV/AIDS prevalence ranking table. I am also posting a link back to this talk page on Talk:List of countries by people living with HIV/AIDS, where I also pipe up in favor of merging these pages.

Merged demo table trimmed, complete table available in history

Please feel free to edit or wikify before inclusion/merger. --Erielhonan 01:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good and thanks for your work, though I have a few suggestions:
 * Maybe use wiki markup (see Help:Table)
 * Split the tables in a population table and a prevalence table and sort them separately (like this or this)
 * Remove the Date of Population Data columns and turn that info into footnotes
 * Need help?
 * --Van helsing 09:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * In response to Van helsing:
 * I spent far too much time on this at the time I did it to put more time into wikifying it at that time. Unless there's a wiki markup plug-in for Dreamweaver?
 * I actually combined two tables that show the data in the manner you suggest. I wanted to see them in comparison to each other, because separately they are incomplete pictures of depth and breadth of the epidemic.
 * the Date of Population Data column highlights how stale the data is. IMHO no sense re-publishing this data if it's mostly 3-4 years old, particularly given how quickly the disease spreads and its mortality rate.  This table was created out of my interest expressed in the point above.
 * Your point taken about footnoting it, but in the interest of accuracy and transparency I prefer if the date of the datapoints is inline with the data, a la List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures. It makes it clear if all datapoints are not from the same year (which may be important to a researcher), and it also makes it clear if the data isn't up-to-date (also notable if someone wants to cite the information).  If most data in a set has similar chrono characteristics I'd say fine to note the date of the data in the header of the table and footnote the outliers, but when the dates are mixed as they are in this table I say it's better to include it inline.
 * --Erielhonan 01:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it appears at first unelegant, but in reality, sometimes the best data isn't all gonna be from the same date. Personally, I like the merged table, and suggest we wiki-ize it and maintain it on a best-data-available basis, rather than trying to use "snapshots" of data (like from the CIA!) for an actively changing epidemic. - Eric 07:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, well, I was feeling bold, so I just did it. I wikified the above table and put it into place. Please comment! - Eric 08:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Bold? :-) That’s good work, thanks. Think we can complete the merge now. Maybe even introduce sorting, though to let it work properly, some changes have to be made. --Van helsing 08:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Is the current article title (List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate) still considered correct? Or would "List of countries by HIV/AIDS" or "List of countries by HIV/AIDS prevalence (or occurrence)" be a better description of the information the article now contains? We also need to take care of all the links coming in to the merged articles, therefore we need a final proper name. --Van helsing 09:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

CIA
Um, wait, why are we using data from the CIA World Factbook? Surely there's a better option- U.N.? WHO? UNICEF? - Eric 07:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't find any reference on the CIA site explaining where they got their numbers. Any info?159.105.80.220 (talk) 18:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, CIA data should only be used in the absence of other data. It is not a reliable source in the opinion of most (non-American) people.  Would you trust such a table made up entirely of data from China's intelligence agency or the old Soviet KGB?  The CIA distributes propaganda and the whole world knows how unreliable it is.  Non-American government sources must be used for this table to be of any use.--ЗAНИA talk talk] 00:36, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Inexactness
Almost all prevalence numbers are rounded off to the nearest .1% number, and in many cases incorrectly - Sweden is listed as having 3600 cases, and a 0.1 prevalence. Given Sweden's population of 9 million, that would give a prevalence of 0.04%. It'd admittedly be a lot of work to rework these numbers, but shouldn't we at least cut off the (false) zero? (Making 38.40% into 38.4% etc) Lejman 19:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Poland
Poland 	031 	120,650 	2007 est. 55 	1.10 	2005 est.

??? According to polish article HIV and polish authorities, there are ~10000 HIV diagnosed cases, and ~30000 estimated (diagnosed+non-diagnosed) in Poland. It's quite a difference between ~120000 AIDS cases (by this article) and ~30000 HIV cases (by other sources), isn't it?

- Polish state agency monitoring AIDS and HIV cases - by the end of 2005 - ~2000 diagnosed AIDS cases. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.56.80.66 (talk) 15:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * - the answer to that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.56.80.66 (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Severely Bad Data here
Column 6, HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate(%), has no data points between 0.1 and 1.0, leading me to believe that some or all of the ones below .01 should in fact be 5 to 10 times as high. That, and the fact that they're often sorted incorreectly (they dont obey the order of the table). Someone who has access to the original source should go and fix the table. Soap Talk/Contributions 20:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's worse than that. Norway and Iraq and shown next to each other in the first table (rate of incidence), and yet Norway has 2,100 cases and a population of only 4.8 million whereas Iraq has only 500 cases but a population of 31 million.  Something very wrong here.  I have no idea which number is wrong - the percentage, or the number of cases (I DO know that the population numbers I have quoted are correct).  I just surfed on into this subject, thus I have no interest in figuring out what is wrong with it, but some thing is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.200.175 (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Another problem is Vietnam - by rate of incidence, Vietnam is one of the luckiest countries in the world, but by numbers of deaths, it is in the top 20 in the world. I guess once you get AIDS in Vietnam, you die almost instantly.  Something wrong here.


 * The USA was listed to have an AIDS prevalence rate of over 2%. The CDC website states that AIDS prevalence is 1.1M, or 0.003% of the population. The source is listed as the CIA factbook, which didn't have USA stats on AIDS when I checked it.


 * But when I edited the USA stat, it no longer made sense in the backdrop of the list.


 * And checking some CIA factbook stats made no sense either. For example, South Africa was listed as having an aids prevalence of 18.9% in this article and the factbook, but with an absolute value of 7.1 million in 2016. Dividing 7.1 million by 55.91 million gives 12.7%, not 18.9%.


 * It seems like the article could use some better sources.


 * How might we properly mark the page for other editors?


 * The current cleanup tag says it needs an "update" but isn't that different from there being potential errors?

Emwu584 (talk) 23:04, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


 * 1.1 million divided by 325 million is not 0.003%, It's 0.3%. Maproom (talk) 07:06, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Vietnam
There seems to be some problem with the data on vietnam. It is listed as 79th in rank but is in the list between 165. Likewise, rank 79 is skipped in the list.
 * Looks like this is resolved.Emwu584 (talk) 23:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

New Discussion
A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries. Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Please keep the old tables when updating data
The evolution in time of those figures is just as important as their values at a given time, and probably even more. Thank you Emwu584 (talk) 23:03, 26 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.198.147.13 (talk) 11:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

INCORRECT DATA
I have controlled the data of the "HIV/AIDS adult living", and a lot of that are not correct. I've found new correct data and I write that instead of the oldest one, but only for these countries: Italy,France,Germany,UK,Brazil. I guess we must change also the numbers of other countries, because are quite different in the reality. --87.6.203.151 (talk) 23:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that the Israel prevalence is way too high. It doesn't make sense that it is higher than in Ethiopia, for instance. I checked the cia world factbook and it says the prevalence is 0.2%, not 3.3% as written in the page. It also makes more sense, I cross checked it with a couple of government estimations in Israel, and it gives a similar number. Anyways, thank you Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.68.72.7 (talk) 14:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Disputed
I came to this article while stub-sorting a couple of related lists. I am concerned that the figures appear to be incorrect, as suggested by various editors above. Some particular examples: PamD (talk) 09:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The figures for "rank by prevalence rate" disagree with the "Prevalence rate" (Botswana/Zimbabwe)
 * Turkey - dashes presumably intended as zeros, but 139th in rank?
 * In "rank", if you have two at "45" the next should be 47, and so on - several examples
 * UK: columns 2 and 3 are discrepant
 * Given all this and more, every individual statistic ought to be cited to a WP:RS, rather than the vague statement "data from various sources, such as the CIA World Factbook".
 * The sorting of the "People living with AIDS/HIV" column doesn't work, probably because there are commas in the numbers so they are treated as words.
 * I've identified the problem with the sorting of that column: Turkey's dashes. Have changed them to hyphens. When that column is sorted Turkey appears at top; sorting it again the dashes were recognised as non-numeric so the column sorted as words. Now it sorts as numbers. Tried to use the -class="sortbottom" markup from Help:Sorting but couldn't get it to go. But perhaps the Turkey data was removed by some vandal anyway and needs to be replace. Does anyone watchlist this article, I wonder? PamD (talk) 09:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going through each entry and updating the statistics with individual sources as you suggested, and as I did this, I found that about half the data in the table was from a very old version of the CIA World Factbook, and newer data was unsourced. As a result, I decided to archive the entire table to the talk page and create a new combined table from the current CIA World Factbook. From now on, it should be simpler to ensure that individual updates can be made with references. Cardnl12 (talk) 01:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Update
I have been checking this data, and while it looks like it was generally copied over reliably, a lot of it was out of date. I am updating it with more recent data and adding references to make the article reliable. Please help and add even more recent sources, or additional sources, if you have them. Cardnl12 (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I have archived the old data, which consisted of sourced data which was outdated, and current data which was unsourced, here:

HIV prevalence estimates
Cardnl12 (talk) 00:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you just use the most current CIA factbook estimates? They are from 2009. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2155rank.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.225.139 (talk) 08:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion of Svalbard as a nation?
It's a small group of islands that are part of Norway near the Arctic Circle, pop: abt 24,000; area: abt 24,000 sq mi; AIDs/HIV prevalence: 0. 173.210.125.42 (talk) 16:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Svalbard's been mined for coal by a handful of countries around the beginning of the 20th century, but was officially acquired by Norway around 1925. As of July 1st, 2011, there were 2,539 people registered on Svalbard, the majority of whom are of Norwegian descent. I wouldn't consider it to be any other country than Norway. 74.102.77.141 (talk) 20:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "CDC": From Misconceptions about HIV/AIDS:  From Tuberculosis:  From Sex education:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Sortable table
It would be useful if the data could be sorted correctly. Currently, sorting data by prevalence rate puts 10% before 2%.

Thanks.Fredericgouin (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed this too, the less than signs are showing up as being higher than the all numbers. Also there is a bit of a breakdown in ordering before the <'s. Sorry I don't know how to fix this stuff myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.250.130.48 (talk) 00:43, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

UK
The number of people with HIV/AIDS in the UK doesn't match the prevalence rate. Canada with half the population has nearly the same number of people with HIV AIDS yet has the same prevalence rate, for example.99.236.215.170 (talk) 17:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

HIV/AIDS Related Deaths in Hungary
Please correct the data in the table related to HIV/ AIDS deaths in Hungary. The present data is way too high, the number if HIV/AIDS related deaths is around 10-15 annually. See: official newsletter of the National Center for Epidemology: http://www.oek.hu/oek.web?to=11,754,1433,1439&nid=368&pid=1&lang=hun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorgensen033 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Why is Russia missing in the table?
"According to the UN, Russia has experienced one of the world’s worst HIV outbreaks in recent years. The total number of people currently infected with HIV in Russia is believed to be roughly one million."

https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/07/13/new-hiv-infections-spiked-more-than-20-percent-in-moscow-last-year — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:4526:3200:9567:869D:2225:8723 (talk) 21:04, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on List of countries by HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111028154713/http://www.bhutanobserver.bt/ministry-health-detected/ to http://www.bhutanobserver.bt/ministry-health-detected/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 01:27, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Updated figures here
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/363.html

and

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/364.html

are more uptodate figures for the same estimates given in the article

Update table again 2022
The CIA world factbook has updated to include 2020 estimates. Is there a way to efficiently copy data over into the table? Of the universe (talk) 06:28, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Israel
Israel is missing 169.255.184.162 (talk) 07:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:List of countries and dependencies by population which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 00:03, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

better data table
The rate per popultion would be better. Also total numbers diagnosed is somewhat meaningless. Perhaps look at what Europe does in this 2022 report pg 36 to see what can be useful: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/2022-Annual_HIV_Report_final.pdf HIV/AIDS surveillance in Europe 2022–2021 data SURVEILLANCE REPORT Table 1. New HIV diagnoses and rates per 100 000 population, by country and year of diagnosis (2012–2021) and cumulative totals, in EU/EEA and other countries of the WHO European Region 88.112.31.26 (talk) 22:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

No source for 2 HIV infections in Svalbard
Neither the CIA world factook nor UNAIDS lists data on Svalbard, either not mentioning the territory at all (UNAIDS) or by "N/A" (CIA). The source on Norway does not provide any info on that either (though my understanding of Norwegian is limited by the fact that I do not speak it, but either way, it's not linked) Online research did not yield any results either. Am I overlooking something or is the number made up? EinWaldschrat (talk) 19:57, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Wrong data
What is the source for the new data for 2024? It does not look correct. For example, according to https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/documents/2023/HIV_estimates_with_uncertainty_bounds_1990-present for Italy it is 0.2%, not 1.8%. thomasmazzotta 10:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Baronedimare, a user changed the data yesterday, but did not cite the source. I have reverted those edits on that basis. How does it look now? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 16:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Classicwiki looking at the history of the page, that user started editing at least last April, but there are many other edits in between so I don't know if reverting everything would be the best decision. I think it would be better to check all the countries and update them based on the link I provided or on another reliable source. thomasmazzotta 16:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @thomasmazzotta, I have added a Disputed tag but unfortunately I will not have the time to evaluate all the numbers. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)