Talk:HMAS Otway (S 59)

Too much about the Oberon-class and not enough about Otway
In §Design and construction there are three comparatively long paragraphs about Oberon-class submarines and one rather short paragraph about Otway. There is an Oberon-class article (linked to in the lede, and in the Info box, and at the top of §Design and construction). It would appear that the information in those three paragraphs duplicates information in the Oberon-class article. I propose to delete those paragraphs unless someone beats me to it or there is consensus to leave them. --Trappist the monk (talk) 13:48, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Many ship articles contain a summary of the design and construction data from the class article. Being bigger than the operational history section is not a reason to delete it, its a reason to expand the historical data to provide an overly comprehensive article about the submarine. (See also the recent discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships) -- saberwyn 07:41, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Just the fact that many ship articles contain summary data, doesn't make it correct to continue to do so. A comprehensive article on Wikipedia has links to other pertinent articles where the reader can get additional information if he desires.  Because of those links, the comprehensive Wikipedia article doesn't need to include as much (if any) summary information as might be required in original source material or "old-world" encyclopediae.  I read the discussion you referenced and have contributed to it.  Which see.
 * --Trappist the monk (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

How Otway ended up 400 km inland (Needs bettter sourcing)
I've come into possession of a pamphlet from the Holbrook Submarine Museum that explains how and why the outer casing of Otway ended up 400 km inland. Because its a free, throwaway pamphlet, I'm not sure its an appropriate source for the article. Instead, I thought I'd summarise the main points that I think would end up in the article here, until such time as they can be substantiated by a more reliable source. Hope we can get this information (and relevant elaborations) into the article at some point. -- saberwyn 11:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Holbrook was originally named Germantown, but decided to change its name during World War I because of the German association. On the suggestion of one of the councillors, the town was renamed after British submarine commander Norman Douglas Holbrook.
 * The township maintained close links to the Holbrook family, and later the RAN Submarine Service.
 * In 1995, the RAN gave Otway's fin to the town.
 * The community thought "Bugger this... we can do better than that" and began to raise money to buy the whole boat. Funding for the project included a substantial donation from Commander Holbrook's wife.
 * The town was unsuccessful in tendering for Otway, but negotiated with Sims Metal (the successful tenderer, who were to scrap the submarine) to purchase the 'above-waterline' half of the submarine's outer casing.
 * The hull was cut into sections during scrapping at Garden Island, delivered via semi-trailer, then reassembled on site by a team of unemployed people undergoing a government training programme.
 * The site was dedicated as a Submarine Memorial on 1 June 1997.
 * The Holbrook Submarine Museum later opened nearby.