Talk:HMS Alceste (1806)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Parsecboy (talk · contribs) 18:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * I'd link carronade in the text, along with beam
 * Done--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd use first names on introduction of an individual
 * Done (I think) Allemand, Cochrane, Amherst. Anymore?--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The link to corvette is repeated in the following paragraph
 * Done removed.--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Watch your commas - I've seen a few that were unnecessary
 * Okay. I'm a bit old school so tend to insert the optional commas too which in turn sometimes creates a need for semi-colons.--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've been there - if you read some of the articles I wrote back in 2008-2009, you'd see copy-editors like beating me over the head until I put the commas away. I still probably overuse semi-colons, but what can I say, I just like them! Parsecboy (talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Be careful with semi-colons, some instead should be commas
 * Okay fair point.--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * " attacked a Spanish convoy of Rota" - should that be off Rota?
 * Done typo fix--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Added a who tag that needs to be addressed.
 * Done I have followed the example of Action of 29 November 1811, itself a GA, and given Henderson's name (no article to link to I'm afraid); or if you think it better, I can simply remove the sentence. Although I vaguely remember William James making the same point, I can't find any reference to it in his six volume tome.--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine now that it's attributed. It is an interesting theory (I took a counterfactual history seminar under Geoffrey Parker while I was in grad school, and we had to come up with a counterfactual scenario and explore the possible outcomes; this seems like it would have been an excellent one to consider). Parsecboy (talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Does the War of 1812 section really need to be split off? From what I understand, the "War of 1812" framing is an Americanism (the British having been at war for quite some time by 1812)
 * Hmmm. I'm not sure. You are right of course, the War of 1812 was just the North American theatre of a much bigger war and Europeans tend to think of it as a bit of a side-show. However, this encyclopaedia is read by an awful lot of Americans and Canadians for whom this event was important, and it does provide a point of reference for them. Having said all that, if it's a deal breaker, I can add it to the previous section. It is rather short after all.--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * My thought is, this is an article about a British topic, so it would make the most sense to structure the article from a British perspective. Us Yanks (and Canadians) can figure it out ;) Parsecboy (talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Done If you're not offended, then I guess it's okay.--Ykraps (talk) 08:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly thrilled with using Wade-Giles over Pinyin, especially since there's a mix of the two transliterations
 * I'm not sure I understand you. I believe you are referring to Chinese characters but I can't see where they are in the article. If there are any, they are either historic or have been copied inadvertently. Perhaps you could expand on your point. Thanks--Ykraps (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Having now read the Wikipedia articles, Wade-Giles and Pinyin, I think I understand. You are talking about the difference between Leo Tong and Liaodong. I just copied the example in which ever source I happened to be referring to at the time. I have changed the former for the latter, which I think is Pinyin. Are there any others?--Ykraps (talk) 10:14, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I was talking about - I fixed a couple of others and asked for help with Che-a-tow Bay over at WP:CHINA. Hopefully someone there can lend us a hand. Parsecboy (talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There is an online version of the book here [], page 230, which might give some more clues.--Ykraps (talk) 08:33, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent - I just checked the coordinates in the book and it's right at Jiaozhou Bay, which confirms what Kusma said on the WP:CHINA discussion. Parsecboy (talk) 13:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The Qing ruler at the time of the mission was the Jiaqing Emperor - probably worth linking him specifically.
 * Done Emperor linked to Jiaqing Emperor.--Ykraps (talk) 23:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "into the China Sea" - presumably the South China Sea?
 * Done Yep.--Ykraps (talk) 23:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "His Britannic Majesty" seems a bit much - better to just say "King George III"
 * Done--Ykraps (talk) 23:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "you're government must not blame you" - surely Napoleon did not use "you're" when he meant "your".
 * Done You're not wrong there! Don't know how that slipped by me.--Ykraps (talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's always awfully embarrassing when you do something silly like that - unfortunately I've had more than my fair share ;)
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * File:Sir Murray Maxwell.jpg - needs a US copyright tag. And can we crop the file to just his portrait? The subtitles create quite a bit of white space and don't really add anything.
 * Same for File:Alceste at Bogue.jpg
 * These things are a bit beyond my capabilities so respectfully request that you allow me a little time to enlist some help. Thanks--Ykraps (talk) 23:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I have requested help at Graphics Lab/Photography workshop--Ykraps (talk) 00:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Done all sorted thanks to User:Hohum.--Ykraps (talk) 08:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Made several tweaks here and there, let me know if you disagree with any of them. Parsecboy (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm happy to pass the article now. Great work! Parsecboy (talk) 13:25, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Great news! And thanks for taking the trouble to review the article.--Ykraps (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Made several tweaks here and there, let me know if you disagree with any of them. Parsecboy (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm happy to pass the article now. Great work! Parsecboy (talk) 13:25, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Great news! And thanks for taking the trouble to review the article.--Ykraps (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)