Talk:HMS Aldenham

El Daba bombardment

 * Hi. First of all, a published, reliable source like Greene, Jack and Massignani, Alessandro (2004). The Black Prince And The Sea Devils: The Story Of Valerio Borghese And The Elite Units Of The Decima Mas. Da Capo Press, p. 40. ISBN 0306813114, states unequivocally that Eridge was torpedoed by an MTSM off El Daba (Egypt) when both destroyers were shelling Axis facilities (See also HMS ALDENHAM (L 22) - Type III, Hunt-class Escort Destroyer). Aldenham took part of the main action according to the cited sources, therefore the enemy craft(s) she and her sister faced are worth to be referred to.
 * On the other hand, besides being supported not by a newspaper, but by an experts' book, the mention of the craft which torpedoed the RN unit is as relevant as other parts of the article, such as "She assisted HMS Eskimo removing wounded when she was attacked and hit by the Luftwaffe on 15 July" or "Each destroyer fired 500 four-inch (100 mm) shells against bunkers and barracks on the island between 09:00 and 11:20. The town of Pag itself was targeted by the destroyers for an hour at 14:00,". In both cases, the reference to the Luftwaffe (which didn't attacked Aldenham in this occasion) in the first and the number of shells fired or the targets in the second could be also considered "off-topic" following this standard.--Darius (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi again. First of all, your initial edit was not referenced at all. Kemp, p.192 specifically lists Eridge, Croome and Hursley taking part in the bombardment, not Aldenham. Obviously Greene/Massignani differs in this respect. Personally, I couldn't care less one way or the other but I do not really care for additions of unsourced material such as the one made before by you. I'll check with more experienced editors in the field which source Kemp or Greene is to be trusted on this one if you don't mind.
 * The second source you offered (naval-history.net) is not a WP:RS - please remove it as it does not meet WP:V. Finally, the article uses harvnb references, please use that form per WP:CITEVAR. Regards.--Tomobe03 (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * Now I read the Greene's passage on the El Daba, the source does not actually say that Aldenham took part in bombardment of El Daba, but that it was assigned coastal bombardment duty as were Eridge, Croome and Hursley. This is probably a violation of WP:SYNTH - it is quite possible Aldenham bombarded another target in the area, but neither Greene nor Kemp don't really say anything about this. Is there a source saying specifically that Aldenham bombarded El Daba with Eridge or not?--Tomobe03 (talk) 01:13, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Try here (page 241), or here. Regarding Greene & Massignani, take in mind that the only fact of being detailed to bombard the coast along HMS Eridge and other destroyers makes the action (the shelling and the torpedo attack) relevant for Aldenham, even if we assume (per Kemp) that the latter didn't fire a single round that night.--Darius (talk) 01:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Discovery
I guess the wreck was rediscovered in 1999: I've just seen an episode of "Tajne Jadrana", Yugoslav 1973 TV Mini Series, I'm sorry I can't find any specific link. As I recollect, the depth of wreck site was 82 meters, the wreck was on it's side (left?), upper edge of the deeper propeler was at 75 m, they used the other prop to tie a rope for diver's movements. Cheers. Alekol (talk) 21:27, 5 March 2023 (UTC)