Talk:HMS Caroline (1795)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 15:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No DABs, external links OK
 * The portrait of Cole needs a US PD tag; all other images appropriately licensed ✅
 * You only use she and her name when referencing the ship. Mix it up with "the ship" and "the frigate" so you have more variety.✅
 * After first reference to people using full names and ranks only use last name afterwards. Forex, Rear-Admiral Thomas Cotton, then just Cotton for subsequent uses.✅
 * Year ranges must be complete so 1806–1807, not 1806-07✅
 * in 1800 she served as a blockade ship at Cadiz Awkward, suggest "participated in the blockade of Cadiz"✅
 * Not sure I like your phrasing of prize taking. Perhaps something like "tasked to hunt down or interdict French shipping while protecting British merchant ships" or some such. And after her transfer, her mission/task would become "attacking the possessions of the French and their allies". Fiddle with the phrasing as you please, but your current phrasing does not make her change of mission clear.✅ - I've attempted to implement your suggested phrasing here. I assume this relates to the lede and have put it there.
 * Not sure how the changes made to Fortunee are relevant to Caroline✅ - removed
 * You do not actually describe the layout and number of her guns in the main body✅
 * Caroline was ordered on 24 May 1794 to be built at Rotherhithe by John Randall & Co. I think it would read better if you move the date to the end of the sentence.✅
 * Link commissioned,✅
 * Tell the reader what the ship's role was with the North Sea Fleet, Lisbon Station, etc.✅ No particular role is specified. For the North Sea she is described as 'part of Admiral Duncan's Squadron'. For the Lisbon Station she is noted as being 'off Lisbon' and 'on the Lisbon Station' but again no particular role is specified. I have implemented some basic descriptions of her role and/or the role of the unit as a whole but am unable to provide more detail than that.
 * while part of the fleet of Admiral Lord St Vincent assigned to✅
 * Any idea why Paulet was briefly in command? Not really. The Chronicle states it as 'In November 1798, Captain the Right Hon. Lord H. Paulet.' and then goes straight on to describe Bowen's arrival. I would guess that he was a stopgap while Bowen arrived on station; Paulet's Royal Naval Biography entry doesn't even deem the command noteworthy.
 * To clarify, she was recommissioned before her refit was complete✅ - hopefully clarified this.
 * If you're going to draw a distinction between the 1803-1815 Napoleonic Wars and the preceding French Revolutionary Wars, you need to name and link the earlier one as well as I think that most people just lump everything from 1792 together under the rubric of the Napoleonic Wars.✅
 * It's a bit misleading to say that she was recommissioned for service in the Napoleonic Wars when that conflict hadn't even started yet. ✅ - believe I've fixed this through the prior corrections. More later.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I have completed all these changes and await further comments. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * With word of the war now abounding ?? ✅ - yeah not too sure why I chose to use that wording
 * and the 36-gun frigate Maria Reijersbergen, the 20-gun gun-sloop William, the 18-gun Patriot, and the 14-gun Zeeplong.[39][74] As the brig escaped, Phoenix emerged from the inner harbour in an attempt to manoeuvre away from Caroline.[74] Caroline entered the harbour and sailed for Maria Reijersbergen, determining her to be the largest threat, firing at her from the range of half a pistol shot; after around thirty minutes of bombardment Maria Reijersbergen surrendered to the frigate.[39][74] The consorts of Maria Reijersbergen, You use the Dutch ship's name four times in as many sentences. Rephrase to limit it to two, please. And reduce the number of uses of Caroline as well.✅
 * Do the same in the next paragraph.✅
 * One of her yards was shot in half, and her rigging, masts, and hull all received damaged. Rephrase✅ - not sure how you wanted this to be rephrased but have made a go of it.
 * You have a curious disinclination to use possessives, preferring odd phrasings like "the ships-of-the-line of Pellew", etc. I've changed a couple of them for you. Watch for these in this article and others that you've worked on.✅ - ooh er, so I do! Changed a load more.
 * to weight the wreck What does this mean? Per the source, "Fitted there as a salvage ship 11.1813 (to weight the wreck of Queen Charlotte)." Not sure how I could further clarify this without guessing.
 * That's a pretty long list of captured ships. I wonder how much prize money the ship earned during her career. Neither relevant nor easy to research, I have to think that she must have been considered a lucky ship and a gold mine for her captains.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC) I expect you're correct! Singlehandedly capturing a Spanish treasure ship would have helped her tally no end. For example Gore of Triton captured two treasure ships but because this was alongside three other frigates he only earned £40,000, while Rainier earned £10,000 more than this because he was alone. Really the luck of the draw!


 * Thanks again, have completed all these suggested changes. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:11, 8 August 2021 (UTC)