Talk:HMS Cressy (1899)

re-write?
This page deals mostly with the 7th Cruiser Squadron and the Action of 22 September 1914, both of which have their own pages now. (in fact I took the text for the summary of the sinkings at 7CS from this page). So I'm proposing to re-write the service history section so it's principally about Cressy. Opinions? Xyl 54 (talk) 17:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, done. Xyl 54 (talk) 16:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Pre-FAC feedback
Probably more from FN 21 re controversy of scavenging the scrap that can be added. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:50, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

turned turtle
With respect, you "threw out the baby with the bath water." Turn Turtle. To turn over completely, with keel uppermost. P. 370 Capsize. To overturn or upset. Said to be derived from words meaning 'to move a barrel by turning it on head and bilge alternatively' page 71 See Glossary of nautical terms 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 19:40, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I know perfectly well what it means. Cressy never floated upside down for any significant time before she sank; she floated on her side for a time and then sank, i.e. capsized. So no baby has left the building.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. Was not trying to be contentious or dickish.  So please go off half-cocked and conclude that any insult was intended.  I know what you do, and you only have my respect.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 20:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Your first two statements kinda cancelled each other out, so I took it a bit amiss when you threw a dictionary at me.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for any misunderstanding.
 * Assuredly, there is an overlap between the definitions. Capsize may or may not mean "inverted."  Ordinarily (but not always) a capsize in a large ship (if it rolls far enough) will inevitably lead to turn turtle, keels over or duck dive. I had put those definitions and synonyms into Wiktionary, but as I don't have an account there and edited  as an IP, they got burned out real fast.  In any event, in sailing particularly a broach can lead to a knock down (where the mast is in the water, but the boat is not yet overturned -- this is recognized in the sailing literature) but it does not inevitably lead to a turtle. Someone who edited the Costa Concordia disaster described it as capsized.  FWIW, I did not put any of this back into this article, but simply posted it here for your consideration.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd say that turning turtle is a subset of capsize where the boat floats for a while upside down. But I suspect that's used rather loosely and synonymously for capsize.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

It's a messy factual inquiry, with a lot of subsets of scenarios. And we probably can't (and don't need to) authoritatively solve it here. Cheers! 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 00:33, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Ships crest for HMS Cressy
I was under the assumption that all Royal Navy ships had a crest. I have tried, without success to locate a badge for HMS Cressy. I think the inclusion of the ships crest, if one exists, would enhance the article and add to the history of the ship. Is anyone aware of the crest applicable to HMS Cressy ? CGStewart (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)