Talk:HMS Defender (1911)

Image copyright problem with Image:HMS Defender Crest.JPG
The image Image:HMS Defender Crest.JPG is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check


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Image copyright problem resolved
A non-free use rationale has been included on the image page for this article; all is now appropriate for the use of this image. Shem (talk) 13:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Kipling text
There is now a lot of Kipling's book and it makes fascinating reading. But for one thing it overwhelms the article with unencyclopaedic (in the sheer level of detail) information related to a particular event, and for another I'm uneasy about the copyright status. It's certainly far more than we can get away with under fair use if it is copyrighted, and even if it isn't, it still doesn't fit with WP:QUOTE. I'd strongly suggest moving the vast majority of the current material over to Wikisource if the copyright is clear, but even and especially if not, cutting it right back to a few carefully selected sentences. Benea (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm no copyright expert, but Kipling died in 1936, which means that the text ceased to be copyrighted in 2006 - see Copyright. Please enlighten me if I'm getting this wrong.


 * As for unencyclopedic, however, I agree entirely. When I added the the Kipling stuff in December 2007 it was the only decent source I had, but there is far more now. It needs a gentle but thorough cropping.  I'll put it on my to-do-list. Shem (talk) 17:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The only area of copyright I have working experience in is of images, but I'd strongly suspect texts follow the same principles. Might be worth checking out before a transwiki, but I agree that it seems public domain now. No rush though, and I'll have a scout through my books to see if there's anything else that we can expand the ship's career with. Best of luck! Benea (talk) 19:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)