Talk:HMS Endymion (1865)

Armament
Endymion was always described as a 21-gun ship. The Times of 9-8-1866 gave her armament as 4 × 6½-ton guns, 3 × 110-pounder guns, 14 × 8-inch guns, and on 31-8-1866 stated that she was to be armed with 4 × 300-pounder guns, corrected the next day to 100-pounder guns. This gives a total of 25 guns. Are the 6½-ton guns the same as the 100-pounders? Mjroots (talk) 05:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think so. There's an article on them under their usual name of Somerset cannon.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is an image of the 110 pounder RBL 7-inch Armstrong gun.jpg that could be added. Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Courts-martial
Copied from WT:MILHIST "I somewhat question the listings of courts-martial for sailors from the ship - unless they were particularly notable I don't think they really deserve mention. Noting every sailor who was convicted of drunkenness smacks of WP:INDISCRIMINATE to me. Regardless, excellent work expanding the article! Parsecboy (talk) 02:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Lets see, complement of 450, times 17 years service produced six courts-martial. These would seem to be pretty rare events. I've left names off as none of those CMd were wiki-notable. The Times would seem to be an excellent source for Royal Navy ships in service from 1785 to at least WWI. Mjroots (talk) 05:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The CMs work out at 1 per 1,275 man-years service. Mjroots (talk) 06:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)"


 * In the light of further discoveries, the maths are complement 450, times 17 years service produced 13 CMs, or 1 per 588 man-years of service. Still pretty rare IMHO. Mjroots (talk) 08:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I also have reservations about the CM's since they're not really part of the ship's history, IMO. They're far more a concern of the ship's crew and officers than anything else.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:INDISCRIMINATE was raised earlier. During her service as a guard ship at Hull, there were many cases of drunkenness being dealt with by the local constabulary and petty sessions, as well as a few cases of drownings and absenteeism. These have not been covered as they are generally too trivial. Endymion is a slightly unusual case, as her service falls into three distinct periods - front line service, guard ship and hospital ship. The last two periods are also intertwined with the social history of the period. This is illustrated by assistance given at various fires, and some background to the use as a hospital ship. The Courts-martial also fall partly under this, although more in the context of military discipline than civil punishment. Mjroots (talk) 14:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, after a third editor questioned the existence of this section it was clear that the was not consensus for it to remain as a stand-alone section. Therefore I've incorporated the info into the main body of the text. Mjroots (talk) 05:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Newspaper sources
The British Library website hosts these. It is a subscription only site, but free access is available via most UK libraries. For this reason, the url will be different dependant on where in the UK access is gained from, and that is why not urls have been provided in references. The Times also falls under a similar scenario. Mjroots (talk) 09:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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