Talk:HMS Hermione (1782)

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The article "Spithead and Nore mutinies" claims that two men (not three) were injured (not killed) when they fell from the riggings. The article then claims that these two men were thrown overboard, presumably still alive.
 * Reliable sources to hand indicate that it is three killed, their bodies then being thrown overboard. I'll check if the other article needs bringing into line. Benea (talk) 18:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Hermione Mutiny
I have been thinking (not sure if this is the right place to put this) that an article about the mutiny specifically might be worthwhile. Along with the Spithead and Nore mutinies of 1797 there was at least one other I am aware of: HMS Marie Antoinette (1793). Admiral Jervis (whose article I expanded) used some fairly heavy handed tactics in the Mediterranean to supress mutiny in 1797. Hermione and Marie Antoinette do seem to be rare mutinies in that the crew went as far as killing their captains and handing their ships over to the enemy. Any thoughts? Thanks, 13:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Right place to put this. Its worth considering but I think we should wait; the article doesn't have a length problem, and the mutiny is the most notable thing that happened on board the ship, so I think its in the right place for now.  Hermione mutiny redirects here, however, I don't remember if other authors have a special name for the mutiny - it wasn't particularly famous so it doesn't really have a name like Nore, Spithead, or Bounty. Hugh Pigot also has a section with a similar mutiny story which might be better off it was summarized and redirected here.  A section like Mutiny (there's one for Mutiny) or an article like History of mutiny in the Royal Navy might be nice - there's probably enough sources in print about all the mutinies in the 18th century RN - most were suppressed quickly by the officers and marines, usually the perpetrators were summarily executed and every sailor who contemplated mutiny knew that their chance of success were low and they would be hung, without trial, if they were caught. Kirk (talk) 14:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Their are plenty of sources for a mutiny article (though are mostly focused on the later part of the 18th century). Jonathan Neal's book and PHD dissertation are thorough, though his conclusions about the general relationships between sailors and officers and about the extent of abusive discipline are doubtful. N.A.M. Rodgers spends some time on mutinies in Command of the Ocean and Wooden World, and their are plenty of sources that focus almost exclusively on the Spithead and More mutinies, and the Bounty Mutiny has a fair amount of discussion as well. I have access to almost all of these, so would be able to help with such an article, but someone else needs to take the lead on it methinks, Sadads (talk) 16:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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