Talk:HMS Howe (32)

Class
Removed "class=start" to prompt independent reappraisal. Folks at 137 (talk) 10:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've assessed it back as Start class and filled in the B-class checklist (which will bump the WP:SHIPS assessment up to "C"). I gave the article a copyedit, and have the following observations:
 * Could use a "Design" section (possibly with an "Armament" subsection, or with the content included), which would summarise the "Development", "Armour", and "Armament" sections of King George V class battleship (1939) and note any Howe-specific differences...have a look at HMAS Sydney (D48) for an example.
 * The article could use an increase in detail, particularly in "Operational history". I'm not sure that the article meets the "Coverage and accuracy (B2)" criteria for B-class, but will concede that its a decent overview for its size, and others may think it passes (if they do, no worries).
 * I've scattered a few clarify and fact tags through the article...filling those in should make it meet the "Referencing (B1)" criteria. The clarify tags contain a note indicating what needs to be clarified.
 * I think the Mason website is overused... its alright for the article's current level, (I'm guessing its the first/easiest source you've found so far) but if you are aiming towards A/FA, reducing your reliance on this and diversifying the sources used will be the way to go. Mason mentions a few works that go into some of his points in more detail, so they may be worth checking out.
 * There's nothing ever wrong with more images, particularly as the fair-use infobox image should preferably be replaced with a free-use alternative. Have a look at the Imperial War Museum collections, or as a second resort, the Australian War Memorial collections (which may have some useful photos from her BPF days). If you end up with too many images, you can always start a category or gallery at Commons.
 * Hope this all helps. -- saberwyn 12:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * On consideration (and particularly following your additions), I've chanegd m mind and am now satisfied that this meets B class. -- saberwyn 07:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Reasons for c-class on the quality scale
Just a minor note not related to assessment but can you put the external title into a Level 1 title like how "References" is styled.
 * There are no references for the lead section.
 * Ref are not needed in the lead as they are already in the article
 * From "In 1943, however, she was moved to Gibraltar with King George V to take part in Operation Husky, the allied invasion of Sicily" onwards within the Operational history has no references yet the section covers a number of different operations.
 * Oops, nice catch.
 * Changed per your suggestion.

Gavbadger (talk) 16:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for checking over the article and could you please reassess it. Thurgate (talk) 16:44, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * For the operational history section and the quote pointed i said about, you have put in three reference at the end altogether do all three references the different operations or does one references relate to one operation and another reference related to a different operation and so on? Gavbadger (talk) 16:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The quotes all overlap each other so it is easier and cleaner to just put them at the end of the paragraph. Thurgate (talk) 17:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, B class, Well Done. Gavbadger (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Howe's combat career.
Here's a very good summary: Howe did provide distant cover to a number of Arctic convoys in an attempt to thwart or destroy German surface raiders, but certainly not nearly her entire career.