Talk:HVC (avian brain region)

Explanation of the HVC
The article writes a lot about the meaning of the name itself (HVC), but it does not really describe in great detail what the HVC really is about and why birds need it. That was disappointing for me to see because like 40% of the page right now tries to explain the name change, and not what it really does ... :\ 84.112.136.52 (talk) 15:27, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

renaming page to HVC
This page should be retitled to "HVC" not "High Vocal Center". As mentioned in the article itself, "High Vocal Center" is depreciated and "HVC" is the standardized name of this region. Neuromusic (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved to HVC (avian brain region). Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

– "High vocal center" is a depreciate title for this avian brain region, as per the revised nomenclature cited in the article Neuromusic (talk) 16:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * High vocal center → HVC
 * HVC → HVC (disambiguation)


 * Comment, you have stated a case for changing "High vocal center" to "HVC (some bird-related disambiguation)", but you haven't stated a case for making it WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 21:17, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose clearly high velocity clouds and Holographic Versatile Cards are likely. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 06:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose – but suggest HVC (avian brain region) or HVC (bird anatomy) unless someone has a better idea. Dicklyon (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Support (as nom) as per the recommended guidelines in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC:
 * for the criterion of long term significance, "HVC" w/r/t avian neuroanatomy is a proper name, not an acronym
 * also for long term significance, the first page of a search of titles in Google Scholar yields 9 articles discussing the avian brain region and only 1 article discussing "high velocity clouds" http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=hvc&as_occt=title
 * for long term significance, a Google Books search for "HVC" (https://www.google.com/search?q=hvc&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1&pws=0) which yields one result concerning High velocity clouds, one result concerning HVC Color space, one result on the Hepatitis C Virus, and 7 results on the avian brain region. Neuromusic (talk) 17:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * for usage, the first result of an unbiased Google Search for "HVC" is the wikipedia entry for the avian brain region https://www.google.com/search?&q=hvc&pws=0
 * Neuromusic (talk) 16:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * High velocity clouds are more important to the creation of life, and galaxies than bird biology is to all life on Earth. Without understanding of stellar formation processes and how HVCs fuel galactic growth, there would be no planets for birds to form on. -- 70.50.151.36 (talk) 03:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm an auditory guy, too, but that's just nuts. It only gets about 10 page views per day.  For an acronym to have a primary it should be more well known, like FBI or MIT or IBM.  Dicklyon (talk) 23:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * yes, the pageviews are low, but they are comparable to the pageviews for the disambiguation page itself Neuromusic (talk) 17:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment by nominator: "HVC" isn't an acronym, though it might look like it. Rather, it is the full proper name of the region. see: http://avianbrain.org/neostriatum.html Neuromusic (talk) 23:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * To the bird brain, it may not be an acronym, but to most readers, and in most of its applications, HVC is a TLA. Dicklyon (talk) 04:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment by nominator: I've offered 3 pieces of evidence that the avian brain region HVC meets the criterion for both usage and long term significance. The closest contender needing disambiguation is "High Velocity Cloud" which doesn't even have its own namespace, as it redirects to Interstellar cloud. I might be happy acquiescing the HVC namespace to the disambiguation page and making this HVC (avian brain region) if someone can offer any counter-evidence, but there hasn't been any thus far. Neuromusic (talk) 17:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Administrator comment: as it stands, there is no consensus for the main request of High vocal center→HVC (where the DAB page currently is), but I'm leaving this discussion open for a few more days to see if there is any consensus for the later-proposed alternative High vocal center→HVC (avian brain region). DMacks (talk) 16:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Rename to HVC (avian brain region) per the above discussion and leave the dab page alone. That seems to be a reasonable choice. If a better option shows up in the future, we can move it again. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:28, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose initial option Far too many possible options for this acronym. Neutral HVC (avian brain region) The acronym is clearly not of sufficiently common usage but as noted it's no longer reperesents an acronym but rather a stupidly selected name.--Labattblueboy (talk) 15:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support move to HVC (avian brain region).--Cúchullain t/ c 15:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support (as nom) move to HVC (avian brain region) -- Neuromusic (talk) 18:51, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

reorganize & expand
proposed outline for a reorganization & expansion of the article:

Name Anatomy Function Neurogenesis
 * history of name & 2004 rename
 * gross anatomy
 * connectivity
 * cell types
 * sensorimotor learning
 * motor timing and sequencing
 * associative learning
 * first reports of neurogenesis in adult vertebrates
 * role & mechanism

thoughts? -- Neuromusic (talk) 21:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)