Talk:Ha'ole

I've redirected ha'ole to haole per vfd discussion. See: Votes for deletion/Ha'ole -- Wile E. Heresiarch 05:27, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

What is the difference between Ha'ole and Haole? If they are different things, this should be explained. If they are not, then the two articles should be merged, and one turned into a redirect. -- Infrogmation 17:15, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy is stringent on the preferential disuse of the &lsquo;okina in the main namespace of articles (article titles). That is why we did not have haole article with the &lsquo;okina in the namespace. It's okay to use the &lsquo;okina in the article, but not in the main namespace. This is to efficiently facilitate word and term searches by Wikipedia readers from around the world.

It would be best for you to please refrain from the use of &lsquo;okina from now on until changes are made to the Wikipedia policy (most of Wikipedia leadership are stubbornly vehement in the use of American and British English only but we have some folks from Hawaii &mdash; Meelar, Gerald Farinas and some other guys trying to defend the use of &lsquo;okina as a rightful form of Hawaiian English). Until they are successful in bringing the &lsquo;okina and kahako to its rightful acceptance on Wikipedia, and to keep you from being attacked by pro-American and pro-British English only Wikipedia administrators, please stick to the status quo.

With that said, since the information you're bringing onto this article is so integral to the understanding of the haole article we have already, please edit the haole article we have with the information you hope to add on this new page you created.

Thanks.... --Keevan Daley 17:41, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

How to merge?
Hi Keevan,

I am not sure how to "merge" the two pages. But I do understatnd what you are saying. It was not my intent to make it an okina issue. What worried me was that if I tried to contribute to the "Haole" Article, my efforts may be erased. So I started another article that I hoped to incorporate the "Captain Cook" part of that article into the "History section" of the outlined article I was doing and then have it under the heading without an okina. Please advise. Do you suggest I type all of what I started under "Ha'ole" into the "Haole" and then expand upon that Article? I will try that then. What I wish to accomplish is to have all the facts, truth and history of what is in essence a troubling word, especially here in Hawaii and I do not want any misunderstanding or incorrect facts to be stated on Wikipedia. The word "haole" has been changed over the years and went from an original meaning and translation to something that has become racially charged.

Much thanks, and apologies-still learning Wikipedia newbie IlikeaIlikea

In every language we have lazy vocabulary introduced in the vernacular. Over time unique spelling thru colloquial use develops and evolves as accepted literal writ. "Haole" is lazy expression of the Hawaiian word "Ha'ole." This is typical pidgin; a syllable disappears. The definition of Ha'ole is "Not kama'aina" or "not of the land" or "not born in the Hawaiian islands." Haole is a racial derogative defined, "tourist; whitey." Discrimination and prejudice against white skin colour folk is the official purpose for the vernacular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.212.252.24 (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)