Talk:Haaland v. Brackeen

Updating
I'm updating the article to bring it up to date, adding both 5th Circuit opinions and the appeal to SCOTUS. GregJackP  Boomer!   07:05, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it’s important to include a section on reactions and/or potential consequences as outlined in reputable sources, for example, from historian Nick Estes (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/why-is-the-right-suddenly-interested-in-native-american-adoption-law) and Rebecca Nagle (https://crooked.com/podcast-series/this-land/). That is, what have these reputable sources said about who is funding and representing the Brackeens, and what do experts in Indian Law say about this funding and representation? These reactions are represented across a variety of reputable sources, so they should be included in said encyclopedic article about the case. —Hobomok (talk) 15:55, 13 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but I believe that would be more appropriate after SCOTUS hears arguments and issues its opinion. I'm probably going to try and take this to Featured Article, so if you see anything, please let me know (or add it). GregJackP   Boomer!   01:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Seeing as how the case has been covered widely by secondary sources (two main ones above) it is only appropriate to detail what outside experts have said about the case from those sources. Much has been said about this case in reliable secondary publications and should be included. -Hobomok (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


 * First, the sources you mention are on the lower court rulings, and not on the SCOTUS ruling, and are not even close to the best secondary sources on the material. General media and layperson friendly sources will be added when it is appropriate. Second, nothing is stopping you from editing the article. If you decide to do so, please review MOS:LAW on the primacy of sources in legal articles, which states: Where both primary and secondary sources are available, one should cite both. While primary sources are more "accurate", secondary sources provide more context and are easier on the layperson. Where primary and secondary sources conflict factually, the primary source should be given priority. Also, the article uses the Bluebook citation style, so you'll need to comply with that when adding sources. As far as my editing, when the SCOTUS opinion is released, and I expand to Featured Article status, I'll add additional secondary sources. This isn't my first rodeo. Regards. GregJackP   Boomer!   01:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * First, let me apologize for the tone of my response to you, because it feels like this is beginning to get unnecessarily contentious: I apologize. I thought I had edited my previous response and to soften my tone, and in that edit that didn’t save I said, “I’ll do some digging in the coming weeks for other sources and add the relevant information.” So, that is what I intend to do to over the next couple of weeks: find secondary lay sources to make the case information more accessible to a general audience based on Indian Law experts and Native reporting on the matter. Nagle’s work provides both and is well-known, which is why I linked to it.
 * I understand that I can edit the article. I will do that once I’ve done the relevant research for secondary sources beyond Estes and Nagle. Nagle’s research and reporting on the case, I think, is important to include. I came here from Wikiproject Indigenous People’s of North America to make suggestions following your post on the talk page there asking for input.
 * My purpose here is to make suggestions for additions on the talk page and then go make those additions, leaving reasoning for making those additions and making you aware of them since you’re working on making this into a GA and eventually FA. I appreciate the work you’re doing here, and I appreciate the important work you’ve done across Wikipedia to date. I apologize if it seemed otherwise based on my clumsy response. —Hobomok (talk) 04:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I will be glad to have the help, and my apologies for taking it the wrong way. Talking in text is always more difficult than in person. GregJackP   Boomer!   05:40, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Timing of GA nomination
Hi there. I saw that this article has been nominated for GA status. Does anyone know when this case will be decided by the Supreme Court? I know that the more contentious decisions come out in June, which is this month. I wonder if it makes more sense for the GA nomination to wait until the decision is finalized. Edge3 (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This case is in the Oct 2022 term of the Court, and won't be heard until that term starts on the first Monday in October. It is not yet scheduled for oral argument. There is no bar to taking it to GA at this point, and then to FA after the decision comes out. GregJackP   Boomer!   13:28, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Oral argument information
I removed the following from the Oral argument section, it's not relevant to that section but would probably be useful as the article is expanded.

Legal analysts have pointed out that a decision in favor of the Brackeens, in eroding Native American tribal sovereignty, could enable private corporations to encroach upon Native lands.

GregJackP  Boomer!   09:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)